Whatever happened to Chun Li? I remember her seeming beastly before the game came out. Been watching videos online and its like she doesn’t exist anymore.
You want the real truth? Her execution is incredibly high for little damage output. Her metagame hasn’t really developed past what Bucktooth handed us in the Brady Guide in Week 1. I’ve been busting my ass with her (along with the rest of the Chun boards) trying to figure out new technology … she just doesn’t seem to have it outside of putting Aerial SBK in combos to link a level 3 or a Kikosho. (Although there’s been mention of a new loop with her using Head Stomps which might boost her to a more respectable tier of damage)
Her assist has been trumped by Tron and Haggar for GTFO off me and pressuring. Jam Session or Cold Star seem to just be better assists for holding enemies in place cause they don’t scale the damage so bad.
Legs are GDLK but completely kill combo damage to the equivalent of a random level 1 hyper damage. Hoyoukusen kills hitstun deterioration so badly that it’s hardly ever worth using since it gives roughly 210k damage in exchange for more than half the hits you’re allowed in a single combo. She also gets zoned out incredibly easily by Storm, Magneto, Dante, and Trish. They’re almost hopeless match ups for her in one on one situations if the opponent is smart
She has a lot of positive qualities but these ones I mentioned essentially are such a huge hurdle that I find it hard for her to break anything other than the very bottom of high tier by the end of the game’s life span. She’s probably just going to be relegated to middle tier. If legs didn’t kill hit stun decay (I don’t care about damage getting hit that much), she’d probably be way better.
Modoks barrier straight nullifies projectiles so i dont see how conventional PHX shit would work (not to mention an EX barrier). IDK it seems like the best she could do besides running is teleporting, and with her TK shots getting barrier’d it would be a 50/50 game which Phoenix players dont wanna risk. just some thoughts.
and spiderman is incredibly underrated: spidey/wesker/sent is godly
I also think it’s because people are really lazy and would rather use Wolvie/Sent/Akuma (lol@that being a legit team too) over learning the harder characters like Viper/Chun/Spiderman/Dante/etc. You’re like the only person I know of that still uses her lol, and one of the only Spidermans(Spidermen?).
Yeah, I’ve kind of put her on the back burner (but not dropped her) and I mess around with her in the lab once in a while. I’m focusing on Spider-Man now and my team with him. I’ve been trying to get Josh Wong to help whip me into shape so that I can start going to the Break over this summer and show off what Web Head can do. After a session or so with him though, I need more training especially in certain matchups (I have a hard time against Drone Assist, Magneto Disruptor, and Dante keepaway…yes that actually is possible and it’s frustrating). While I’m not winning a lot yet at local tournaments (going usually 2-2 or 3-2) I’m at least turning heads with Spidey and making people realize he’s a force if I land a hit.
I’ll get there eventually and when I do, I’ll come back to pick up Chun and make her beast too. That’s the hope at least lol
Edit: Actually, sorta off topic for a second, if someone on 360 wants to teach me the mags + drones/dante + drones matchup, please add me. I need help fighting against that style of team.
Zero has the highest damage potential of any character without an infinite, without assists (though it’s easier with), level 3, or x-factor you can kill Thor off any hit. He also has, in my opinion, the best mixups with assists and the best normals. He is one of the best recipients of the DHC glitch due to his damage in Sougenmu, and he can control the game very well with level 3 buster. The only things downsides he has is his health which I don’t believe is significant, but his lack of a great assist outside combos or powered up is relevent.
Wolverine is lower than X-23 because X-23 is one of the best starters of the DHC glitch, besides that they each have their positives and negatives, however, they are in the same tier and I don’t feel there is much difference between them.
Spiderman is tricky because you need to build your entire team around him to be successful, however, if he touches you and you are not one of the few characters that has a fast invincible air move (such has Sentinels Hard Drive), you are dead. It doesn’t matter if it’s off an air throw or a normal. He also has good mobility, decent mixups, and alright normals.
Wesker is where he is based on the fact I believe every character above him is better than him, he is really good and perhaps the reason I don’t consider him higher is the fact I haven’t played a top level Wesker. However, his I don’t believe his teleports are that great for mixups, and although you can destroy mid level players, or players without experience with him I question how good he is at the highest level.
Taskmaster does not have good mixups, good block strings, spidey swing is unsafe, the only reason he is as high as he is, is because of his damage, arrows assist, his average zoning and the fact you can DHC glitch into him even though it isn’t as easy to combo after as some others. I believe he could easily drop below the C level characters, who all have more potential then he does, they just aren’t as straightforward as him.
Ryu is bad, Chris G’s Ryu is the about the best Ryu can be and it’s still bad, His Dog and Wesker are really good but the fact people lose to that Ryu says more about them then about Ryu. His only way to mix you up is overhead into x-factor on hit, that overhead is slow and you can certainly block it on reaction. People lose to it because they call bad assists and don’t know how to play against Ryu, don’t mistake that for Ryu the character being good.
keranata
can you tell me why you think hsien ko is that much better than deadpool
are you weighing the assist factor in her favor as the main reason why?
Deadpool and Hsien Ko are both pretty bleh, the only reason Hsien Ko is higher is because of the assist. They can both DHC glitch, although deadpool can do it slightly better, and Hsien ko is slightly better at opening people up because of her unblockable and decent multi-hit good priority normals. I’m really disappointed in both of them though because I wanted to main both of them in this game, they just kinda suck.
Do you go to body shop? That’s a really good place to play if you already don’t. I know Felix, Damian, and a few others go.
If you wonna get really good at playing against keep away in general you should play Meatball. He uses Dorm/Sent/Dante and it’s probably the most annoying shit you’ll ever play.
I agree with this list.
I wanna see how far Jill will go by Evo time.
wesker teleports aren’t great for mix up? say that to wesker backed up by a beam/projectile assist. you can’t do shit to punish any of his teleports and the beam/projectile just makes the mix up even more better. and how could you forget about his 1 frame command grab that have great range ( L version of mustang ) that leads to 400+k? 800k if you add level 3 hyper. and did you forget about his godly gun or the insane amount of resets/mixup he can get off otg gun situations? like i really can’t believe you think spider man better. like gtfo with that bullshit. you obviously don’t know anything about wesker.
Would put Deadpool high-mid ez.
Weskers teleports requires the opponent to be within a box of space on the ground in order to effectively mix the opponent up, if you avoid getting stuck in that box of space you can control the match well as long as you don’t get zoned by Wesker. If you stand in one place and don’t move for any period of time you will get destroyed by Wesker with the right assists. 400K is not that impressive in this game, 800K really isn’t either. I didn’t say Wesker was bad I said he’s in the A- tier, 2 spots below Spiderman who doesn’t require you to be within a box of space to effectively open you up for 100% damage which Wesker can not do anyways without X-Factor unless you have low life. Wesker is much easier to play than Spiderman but I believe slightly but not significantly worse at a higher level.
I think his zoning is subpar, his rushdown is bad and he is just worse than every other character above him. When I made my list I considered every character above him and could not seriously say he was better than any of them.
also when you say “if you don’t have a air reversal such as hard drive” i HOPE you’re not talking about uwt resets because most of the cast can escape it. hell, my whole damn squad can escape that gimmick. dante does killer bee, wesker L teleport, and trish aduf out of it. so i don’t see how that validate him over wesker or even taskmaster.
EDIT:wow 400k off a 1 frame command grab ain’t impressive? do you even know how good a 1 frame special that leads to as much bullshit as wesker’s is? let me give you a hint, wesker 1 frame command grab alone means he’ll be able to punish some situations better than the rest of the cast. if you can’t see this then i dunno what to say for you anymore.
I disagree with you sir… Zero is AMAZING, but he is NOT the best in the game. His assists are ass, his health is garbage and he is not a very good anchor.
Spider-man over Storm? Naw… Storm is a way better anchor and she is alot more versatile than Spidey is IMO. Oh and she has the easiest DHC glitch starter in the game. Spidey is good though…
Haggar has argueably the best assist in the game in Lariat and he has great damage. Why the fuck is he E tier? Because his mix-ups are blase?
Ryu is bad, but he is NOT as bad as Hsien-Ko… AT ALL. Ryu has comeback factor, which Hsien-Ko does not have and IMO, Zero does not have, even with X-factor. With a good guess, Ryu can kill a character solo. Zero cannot do that without assist. Hsien-Ko can’t do that at all lmao.
Captain America and Thor are bad, but are they really as bad as Arthur or Hsien-Ko? Nope… You probably have played the most GDLK Arthur ever…
Deadpool is pretty good!!! He does high damage and makes everything virtually safe with grenades.
Its whatever cuz its your opinion but still…
escapes you have to do before the UWT flash aren’t really ideal. you are just guessing in all of these cases, leaving you open to something else.
Still funny that People don’t consider Sentinel top 5-10… although one of the best assist + xfactor 3 + easy mode+ big damage.
These same people that say C. Viper is god tier… yeah but no.
i swore you could do it even after the flash ( with a little time though ). i guess my sources were wrong. well, if that’s the case then that is slightly more dangerous than i gave credit for. but still, spider man is no way on wesker’s level by any means imo.
Keranata I’d like to hear your reasoning for X23’s high placement. I think she’s solid but most would agree she hasn’t shown enough to be reminiscent of an A tier character even quite yet.
To the crazy guy with the crazy tier list.
Are you crazy motherfucker?