MvC3 Actual Balance/Potential Tiers Discussion

Dormammu is one of the easiest to use imo. Much easier than Akuma.

On the opposite end I’d have Viper Dante Chun Doom.

Xfactor is all that needs to be toned down and maybe a few health tweaks. everything else I’m fine with.

Akuma is one of the easiest but CONSIDER his low life. Same apply to Amaterasu. Easy to play big priorities and stuffs, but she doesn’t allow many mistakes.
Haggar is overall one of the easiest, but also one of the worst. An average Haggar would be better than an average Magneto, but a pro Haggar would just be owned by a pro Magneto.

My list last page was just for the average / decent people playing, not for Justin Wong / Marn level.

Akuma has combos that require work but especially if you put him in the back in XF then they become mostly unnecessary.

There is a HUGE difference between execution and game-plan btw. I ran a point tron when the game first came out (before I knew about Gustaff flame assist lol) and her training mode combos can be pulled consistantly enough but your going to work for that first hit. Anyone thats not complete ass isnt going to lose to low execution/flowchart gameplans. You gotta be creative.

I combined both. To make it simple: the easiest character to play with (Haggar for example : get in close abuse pipe and mixup + easy combo. and so on… braindead character that is easier to win with than said, Iron-Man.)

True but the problem is that Haggar has a harder time getting in than a nympho in a monastery, he loses to proper/push blocking unless you empty jump> kara-command throw, which isnt all that great

Edit: i guess what Im trying to say is, the easier execution chars NEED a more advanced metagame (except wolva-fucking-rine) and harder execution characters -for the most part- have better tools to deal with situations

But that’s my point, once you use all of Storm’s tools, the combination of them makes it amazing. It’s like saying Wolverine’s range sucks so he isn’t good except for his speed.

You guys are both right. But I think EmblemLord stated it very well.

About the execution tiers…

Taskmaster people say is easy, but his arrow lift is really tough. Same goes with Skrull, who has some resets and a few combos that have tight timing.

I think most chars are going to have a couple of levels they can be played at, higher execution higher reward.
Except Hulk, if the Hulk player can find the :h: button, he’s pretty much set.

Taskmaster requires way more execution than people give him credit for. His BnB, even without the arrow lift, is extremely simple when it comes to the buttons you need to press to do it, but the timing for it varies widely between characters. Go do it on Sentinel, then on She-Hulk. It isn’t that easy. There’s a reason no one actually does the BnB on stream (at least that I’ve seen), even though with it you can kill 800k health characters in one combo and no DHC.

Even outside combos, you have to hold the button down for a specific amount of time to get two arrows shot from Aim Master, which you need to know how to do when fighting characters with reflects, like Hsien-Ko and Amaterasu, or to get the widest spread on an air horizontal shot. The Sword Master H combo (which is extremely situational, but still there) requires a series of near-just-frame inputs to get it to work properly, as well.

He’s still not Jill, C. Viper, Dante, Chun Li, Doctor Doom, or Zero, but it’s still way more than Wolverine.

Skill? MODOK. Simply because you will be blocking all day if they get in. Your defense better be up to snuff.

That gif just makes me laugh for some reason.

On topic my personal opinion on the top 5 anyways:

Ammy - no explanation needed
Magneto - TOD with good enough execution without needing the DHC glitch, lvl 3 which seems to hit anywhere on the screen and otg’s on its own, one of a few characters that can give dark phoenix pause
Wesker - good damage, dhc glitch, mixup potential
Dante - million and one moves, disjointed hitbox on the sword is a real help in some cases where you can get it out, dhc glitch, good damage
Wolverine - mixups, fast normals with very good priority, a dive kick, easy to use to good damage, small hurtbox making a fair chunk of projectiles near useless on him

Keep in mind this is simply my 2 cents worth.

Seriously kids. If you don’t have Phoenix in your Top 5/at the top of your tier list, YOU ARE WRONG.

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And Floe HATES Phoenix. But what does he do to make sure he gets the win? He goes to a Phoenix team. And he didn’t even combo after all of her throws like he could’ve. They said Justin uses an anti-Phoenix team. Well let me help you guys out…

If your anti-Phoenix team doesn’t have X-23, Ryu, or Dormammu on it, it’s not an anti-Phoenix team.

This has been THE INVINCIBLE SWORDSMAN saying:

Honestly. Why are some of you denying her as top? Are you just being stubborn? Are you trying to be different?

because they believe with time phoenix will get “exposed” and go down a few tiers. but me personally, i think she will forever remain top 5. i don’t think anyone in the cast can match an level 3 XF DP.

Oh phoenix is in her own special tier in my book. It’s called the bullshit tier.

Dante is better than most against Phoenix, Wong didn’t do most of the things that make it that way.

Not that I disagree about Phoenix being SSS++++ tier though.