What about that speed thing?
Speed thing?
Storms are able to mix me up with their speed and I can’t high/low in reaction.
Trishs can’t do that, I can easily react, so they just run away with their projectiles/traps.
Storm can do both. (minus the traps, unless you count Lightning Orb thing)
I saw some one comparing Storm and Trish the otherday, they were stating how similar the two are.
I for one dont see it. I have about 4000 matches with Storm, but I really dont see how shes Trish-esk. Anyone have an idea what they were getting at
Depending on the hit, he either goes into the pre-release combo (blah blah killer bee H S M M H fire spin Hyper) which is the sub par combo or he can get the long 800K+ combo that you want to do. Unless I’m missing something, getting that 800K damage combo off isn’t exactly happening all the time because of what he hit you with and where.
Magneto just needs to hit you with practically any button and you’re getting smacked with H for a while.
he can combo after, but he can’t get solid damage since everything he does get’s heavily affected by hitstun decay after hitting an airborne opponent. this, and the fact that his fastest normal has 8 frames startup, are basically the reasons for him being lower than mags imo. i still think dante is pretty high compared to most of the cast.
abare is pretty much the word i was waiting for in this thread. in a fast paced game like this, where everyone is always moving and always trying to get a hit in, comboing off this one hit into big time damage is a really big deal. thats why mags is gdlk S tier if you have the execution and that’s why wolvie is retarded good, even though he’s one dimensional, and don’t forget wesker (random fullscreen gun hit into teleport into 500k dmg meterless and another mixup after it. lol, anyone?). dante does not have that. but the damage he gets off of clean hits and the big variety of tools he has for different situations just makes him good without great abare, same for ammy.
You don’t always need to finish combos if they aren’t going to do max damage, just reset.
If you delay the S jump cancel you can get a hard knockdown after the fire spin instead of the knockback, which lets you DF+HHH xx Forward H (Wallbounce), into:
A) Grapple, DHC Glitch.
B) Teleport, j.S, Volcano xx Beehive, super.
tldr he can kill you off an air to air.
Storm can open u up for days but her normals are BUTT!!! BUTT I SAY!!! Trish has buttons and dive kick. So she is like Wolverine in that she gets in ur shit and stays there. Storm is more about good ass mix-ups then crazy mindless rushdown.
Yeah Storms normals are pretty anus. Every time I think of MvC2 Storm I want to cry.
He has a hard time confirming air to air hits out of J.S. Even then, the damage and meter gain off those isn’t stellar. Acid rain makes it a bit better though.
dantes resets are mediocre at best. he can’t combo off of ground throws at all and needs an assist for air throws, which doesn’t much damage, cause the gun fire for otg scales the shit out of it. other reset options are practically not there.
dhc trick, okay, i give you that one. but he needs another character for that, a specific one. the other combo you noted is pretty much the bnb off a random hit and does below 600k damage while building barely one meter. if mags gets a random hit, he bitch slaps you to the corner for 300k, grav loops you for another 200k or more and then either goes into dhc trick if he theres character to follow it up or, if not, he just squeeeges you to death with the 2+ bars he gained while bitchslapping you all over the stage from that random hit.
just want to say, this is not a “what are dantes options off of that situation”, his options are known already pretty well. this is a comparison of dante and mags and i just want to say that abare is just one of the things mags can do much better than dante. but again, i love dante and he is by no means a bad character. it’s just that he is definetely not S-tier, because he obviously lacks things other characters don’t.
Dante is the best character in the game. He can always kill anyone off any hit from anywhere. He doesn’t need resets because no one is left alive after his combos. His zoning tools are absolutely fucking retarded, the speed of his normals is more or less inconsequential because he can jump cancel everything, he has a poke that goes the entire screen and starts ToD combos, etc etc
its too bad this is Marvel because in any other game people would already be talking about banning him
Mags has better random damage potential. Dante has better overall tools for any situation.
I’m fairly certain that they didn’t properly account for any of the cases where you cancel prejump frames into a special, whether that’s Bold Cancels, launcher super jump cancels into specials/hypers, or jump-cancellable moves being cancelled into specials/hypers. Otherwise there would have been an example in mission mode where that was required, but instead they just have you do the jump cancel and follow up with an air attack.
Considering how much JC runs DMC3 and 4, I don’t think BC is something they didn’t see coming :rolleyes: They’ve known about canceling prejump frames into grounded attacks since SF2.
i hope you’re kidding…
cancelling pre jump frames into specials works not only in marvel, it works in many games. i.e. in sf4 it was in vipers trials multiple times (cancelling and also cancelling into a grounded burning kick). i don’t see where this should not be intentional in marvel, if it was in other games from capcom.
edit// i agree with ihatemodok, he pretty much said it.
Did you just say Storm’s normals are bad …?
no I’m not. you are probably just some scrub who hasn’t figured out which flowchart to run as Dante to get wins you don’t deserve. People thought it was bad when subpar players could play vanilla Sagat and eke out wins vs vastly better players… Dante is way, way, way worse
you don’t even think Dante is S tier? jesus fucking christ. you must be blind, retarded, or trolling, or maybe all three.
Trolls trolling trolls.