MvC3 Actual Balance/Potential Tiers Discussion

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followup: 11-15, no order
Dorm: Some great tools coupled with an amazingly fast hyper and nice damage, with the right assist those teleports can fuck your day up
Akuma: I see him in people top tier and understand why but tbh his low health kills him as a char. especially when you KNOW how to block and punish correctly. like a far less safe Ammy
Zero: same boat as akuma, with more tools. By himself, consider him dead
C.viper: I see your confusion , lemme explain. Following dante she has the most potential in the game, rapid fire seismos, burning kick cancels, focus attack unblockable setups, in the right hands she is a serious threat only held back by mediocre normals and below average health
Chris: a zoning GOD, great special attacks, OK DMG/health. seriously lacks good normals

after this point its all up in the air with the exception of the WORST chars (so far) in the game which include:
Haggar, Modok, Hulk, Captain, Thor

Special recognition to:
Spidey: Dont know why nobody uses him, hes lightning fast, mobile, ambiguous, and with 2 meter and an OTG assist can kill ANYONE in the game fairly easily
Trish: Has a nice toolbox, good damage and decent flight mode.
Felicia: OH GOD THE PRESSURE
Arthur: another zoning god, port nave, port nave, port nave
Chars I cant rightfully speak on: DLC, hsien, Chun, VJ

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Storm is not better than Magneto. Only thing keeping Storm in contention is DHC glitch. Magneto can build and use his own level 3 in the same damn combo. That’s auto better than Storm. LOL.

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Ugh. So much sexy truth about Dante. I’m so sick of people saying he will fall. How? He has the highest potential ceiling of pretty much any FG char ever created. How could he fall?

He has moves that people still aren’t using and specials that can act as great stand alone moves as well.

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I wish they had baroque like they did in TvC and/or Mega crash that can only be used once per character.

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You got to be kidding me, I could understand not using MODOK because he has too much execution for little reward. However…this…this is breaking the camel back.DP motion being too much execution for a character is ridiculous. Please do not tell that Spidey is low tier because of this…

Iron Man has some short coming, but too many expect too much from Iron Man. I don’t understand people comparing Iron Man to Mags, Magnus one of the top 5 characters that rape the entire cast. Nobody, but Wesker, Phoenix, Dante, Amaterasu compare to that beast…

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Why is there such a big attempt to limit a top 5 when tiers are usually discussed on a letter scale.

Probably be better to go

S+: Dante, Wesker, Mag
S: Ammy, TM, Wolv, Phoenix
A+: She-Hulk, Storm, Akuma, Zero, Trish
A: Spencer, Dorm, Sent, Doom, Tron
B: rest
C: shittier than rest

Seems pretty damn obvious why Dante, Wesker and Mag are top 3 and the rest is pretty much arguable. Trish and spencer are kinda hard to place imo.

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Cuz IM has always been top or high tier. That probably has alot to do with it and he seems like he should play sumwhat like Mags since you can do similar things with them.

And yeah Storm doesn’t compare to Mags. Only reason I still run her in my team is cuz of easy DHC trick set-up, but I’m really just about to drop her for Mags. His damage potential is just so fucking crazy.

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I also don’t think she does so well head to head with Magneto. IMO the only real edge she has over Magneto is that she is one of the best characters at blowing up poorly called assists.

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It’s easy. Are any of the top players doing good with Iron Man? No. When you look on the online rankings do you see Iron Man up there? No. Can other characters do everything better than Iron Man. Yes. His only real use is his assists and DHC’s. I’ve played Iron Man as well and never been so disapointed in how Capcom made him. Other players like Maxmillian Dood dropped him cause they know that Iron Man sucks. It hurts me to say it cause he is one of my favorite marvel characters, but I’m being as unbiased as possible.

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To me storm and magneto are the same fucking character, same speed, same health, nearly same play style, only difference is in combo damage and actual USE of supers. Think about it, storm is more defensive, can literally chip a character to death with no effort, and the fucking DHC glitch… Shes more tactical than magneto.

Magneto on the other hand is a rushdown MACHINE, combos forever, builds HELLI meter, and if you have the meter, its gravity squeeze and ON TO THE NEXT ONE

1v1 magneto wins but dont forget that this is a TEAM game and storm in the wings is more useful than magneto on standby

opinions welcome

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i don’t know why, but this part of the post made me LOL.

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Marvel 2 had teams and tiers were still judged on a character to character basis with the exception of strider in conjunction with doom cause it made that much of a difference. You judge on the VALUE to team. How much does that chracter bring to a team? Wesker is considered top because you can throw him on most any team comp and it gets better almost regardless of where you put him. His only downside is that DHCing in does not do a lot of damage but is off set by being able to utilize the DHC glitch.

But I digress, point is that characters can be evaluated solo.

I was alos thinking that if wolverine is indeed as good as he is being argued than why be so adament about a top 5? Just expan it, call it S tier and include Wolverine.

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Why would you? I dropped Iron Man on the 2nd week when the game released, before him. I mentioned him as an example and since he’s pretty well known.

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i was laughing because of the sentence. i just thought it was genuinely funny. i have no knowledge about iron man, but i always did wonder why max dropped him. i didn’t know people thought he was so ass. but it could be worse, he could be viewtiful joe.

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if the game makes it to Evo 2012 my prediction is that Dante will be on every team in the top 16

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After seeing Josh Wong play Viewtiful Joe, he seems middle tierish and not low tierish like Iron Man is. The Boomerang spam and his mix ups are what make him mediocre saving him from low tier.

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being underplayed don’t mean a character sucks

why not say why you thinks he sucks

iron man is a average middle of the road character ,but some peoples views on him are a tad ignorant

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Pretty much everyone tried Iron Man when the game first came out cause he’s a popular marvel character, so he was used alot. It’s for the same reasons everyone else explained in this thread. He has to be within a certain range to connect with his launcher. Once a rushdown character is in on him it’s hard for him to punish with anything except a super. He’s only good within Repulsor blast range. I dont have to explain anything more really cause the rest of the stuff I say you would think it would be an opinion and I’m a facts kind of guy. Simply just look at the results with videos, tournament rankings, online rankings, your own experiences from playing the game with Iron Man. Then you’ll understand why and I’m not being ignorant.

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Alright, long time lurker feeling that he’s got some spare change. I’ve been reading a lot of this topic about possible tier lists and I feel like I should drop off my thoughts so I can get some feedback on it for my own knowledge. Let’s hope my post doesn’t catch some wandering flames.

There is very little meaning to the order within the separate tiers, as a numbered system is only really effective for the top 10 in my opinion.

S: Magneto, Wesker, Dante, Ammaterasu, Phoenix
A+: Wolverine, Taskmaster, Zero, Storm
A: Sentinel, Akuma, Trish, She-Hulk
B+: X-23, Dormammu, Dr. Doom, Tron Bonne
B: Deadpool, Spencer, C. Viper, Thor, Shuma Gorath
C+: Super Skrull, Ryu, Spider-Man, Felicia
C: Chris, Chun-Li, Iron Man, Hulk, Jill
D+: Haggar, Arthur, Morrigan
D: Viewtiful Joe, MODOK
F: Captain America, Hsien-Ko

I draw the line at B tier being the lowest ranking characters I’ve seen in consistent use at tournaments on teams that have performed well. There are obvious exceptions of course in Felicia, Hsien-Ko, Captain America obviously, but I’ve seen very few good performances with those characters (not claiming they do not exist, example being Josh Wongs Felicia).

I think it’s a pretty solid consensus so far about the top 5, though the order is of course debatable. I agree completely with those saying Dante’s potential to be #1 is through the roof. His bold cancels, amazing movepool, options, and just everything about him leaves so much open for discovery. As of now though, I do feel that Magneto is the best character this game has to offer. He performs every roll better than most dedicated characters to that role and is a threat at every stage in a match.

My question on Phoenix is how she’s going to end up being placed. I feel she’s either a liability (and in that case barely keeping top 5) or extremely powerful being easily the #1 character at the moment. I’ve seen ways of dealing with her in videos and such, and I’m curious as to why I’m not seeing any pro’s actually taking advantage of invincible level 3s and such. I can’t recall the match exactly, but there was a game at Powerup (remind me who the top Wesker’s are, he was a Wesker player) where the players Wesker killed phoenix in a ground string. Now, from that point he could have done Lost in Nightmare and used the invincibility frames to go through the Dark transformation knockback, and KO phoenix, but instead he backed off. Is this because at high level of play this is not viable, or is it just taking time for players to catch on?

My second question is on the tiering of A+ specifically (and rounding out the top 10). After all the hype Wolverine has been getting, and including his nasty 50/50 mixups, it’s easy to say he’s at least top 10 that’s not debatable. What I’m wondering is if he is a guaranteed #6 or if he has the possibility to break into S. He has the tools to be top 5 in my opinion, but from what I’ve read very few people want to crack the established top 5 we have going right now. This also leaves Taskmaster and Zero questionable for me, as a week or two ago I would have put them higher than Wolverine, but look at us now. Both characters are extremely solid and play well, but I feel they might be hitting a high point in their potential, leaving room to be moved around.

As for positions 9 and 10, I would like to say that Storm and Sentinel fit the bill for their DHC potentials, damage, combos, keepaway, and just about every reason why we know that they are good, but the remainder of A and B+ all seem to have possibilities. I hear Trish getting thrown around, Akuma is a well known monster, She-Hulk has been shown to be a very solid character, X-23 (thanks to Tatsu alone really so far) has been showing massive improvements in performance, and the remainder of B+ all have amazing assist options and perform very well on point. I’d like to say that I’m comfortable with those top 17, but who has a top 17 anyway?

Anyway, let me know how I did. I’m very curious in seeing the list for this game get exposed and it’d be nice to start getting a solid framework around at least the top half of the game.

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Viewtiful Joe is not bottom tier. He’s mid I think. Voomerang lockdown is known by very few people. People just don’t know. Not mention that even Josh Wong was running a good joe game, he was not doing any of Joe’s stronger combos.