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^^ Pretty much, the only problem is, the same shitty players who were getting away with playing herp derp sloppy Sent when he had tons of health are now getting spanked because they never properly learned to play him, so the obvious conclusion is that he’s no good, lol.
For the life of me I can’t see how someone can put Doom in the top 10 with a straight face and ignore Sentinel. This is beyond retarded.
Solution to berzerker charge? Modok barrier assist nuff said. Even if he gets around it he can’t continue the combo cause shield eats his normals. Btw why do top players consider wolvie top tier, because via assist he can easily force 2-3 50/50 mixups on you within 1 game second that can turn into a 680k BnB. On top of that lvl 1 x-factor with wolvie allows him to easily hit confirm into a 100% combo and get the 2-3 50/50 mixups on the following character. In a game where most teams are built around 2 point chars and an assist, being able to kill 2 chars 75% of the time with lvl 1 xfactor wolvie is huge.
Everyone wants their main/favorite character to be Top Tier apparently.
The only reason they think Wolvie is Top5/#1 is because Justin/Floe/Noel/PR Rog were saying it. I’m pretty sure these are the same people who had Wesker as #1 and gave no real reasons why except listing his moves like that one guy just did with Wolvie.
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I find it hilarious how like, 20 pages or less back people were saying Wolverine was good, but not as good as the top 5 characters. It was generally accepted that he wasn’t because of how heavily he relies on assists. Now that Floe/Justin Wong are saying he’s the best, all these people come out of the woodwork saying Wolverine is #1 lmao.
The fact that this game is nicely balanced for 15 characters and 5 characters with nice team setups means tier can go forever, as in ssf4 or king of fighter 2002 unlimited match.
im surprised Akuma is not on many people’s top 5. He can do his own otg’s, that tatsu is very hard to punish, works great at any position, great assist and craziest of all, he can link 3 hypers without an assist(corner) or 2 anywhere on the screen.
Also anybody here think that wesker’s inability to really punish assists should drop him down the list?
Well tier lists assume that the characters are played at the highest level… When top players of this game give their insight on who they think is the best, it holds more weight than when some random guy on the forum gives his opinnion.
Not sure if i agree with what they say, but I’m sure they have their reasons on why they think wolvie is top tier, being how they are playing this game at a much higher level than you and I.
I don’t play Doom on my primary team and still feel he’s definitely top 8.
It just comes down to Wolverine gives the most reward with the least effort. Characters like that are usually always high tier. It’s just a matter of if what else gets figured out about the other characters ends up turning Wolverine into a Rufus type character that’s good once he gets in but easy to lame out and not really fitting of the highest tier. The biggest issue is that Wolverine can cross you up from half way across the screen in an instant and make it safe on block into something that makes him even stronger. You can just go around doing stuff and if it gets blocked you turn on your mini x factor. He’s easily the most braindead character in the game. The game almost plays Wolverine for you.
This early in the game though he’s definitely a candidate for top tier. He just mows the lawn really fucking well. When more technologies get figured out I feel he’ll start to have some troubles then just like Rufus.
I just started picking up Akuma and he’s pretty damn good because of his versatility and stupid good damage output if he lands a hit. The main issues with Akuma are his really short ranged normals (although fast start up), decent but not great wave dash and he doesn’t really have much to hit people turtling at the top left or right corner of the screen (flying characters like Trish/Storm). When more gets figured out about him I think he’ll have a chance to be one of the best but you definitely have to play pretty creatively with him when people start turning on XF or jumping to the top back of the screen to lame out your beam super. You can’t just wait till they come down and left right slash like Wolvie.
I dont really see what problem Wesker has punishing assists. His H teleport gets him above and on top of assists called from a distance in an instant and he can go into full combos obviously off of that. He can super jump around and shoot gun to stop assists from coming out and chip damage slowly off them as well. The only assist I feel he really has trouble dealing with is Haggar assist because Haggar assist is the only one (maybe other than Hulk AA assist) that will blow up H teleport cross up. Tron’s assist is pretty much unpunishable unless you can cross up really low to the ground with a dive or tatsu any way.
Generally the fact that turtling Wesker is nearly impossible and he has the ability zone you with gun at the same time makes it where I feel he should do fine handling abuse of assists. Especially since I play him and I’ve never really had trouble with any assist but Haggar or Tron assist and he can still c.L under Haggar assist. Tron assist is just going to be a problem in general but H teleport cross up Tron assist called from a distance. It’s so easy to just be going around doing shit with Wesker and catch 2 characters with an H teleport air S into full combo.
Wong wanted Seth banned.
Floe is a tier whore and he isn’t using Wolverine.
Noel Brown parrots Justin.
Tokido is still using Wolvie + Sent, so this team has to be really cheap. Tokido is the cheapest man alive. He dropped Akuma for Phoenix if you didn’t watch vid linked above.
Yeah I like that Tokido is on his Family Dollar shit with Wolvie/Sent/Phoenix. Totally big profit little to pay up front team. Get 8 3 liters for like 8 dollars.
He wasn’t even holding onto XF, he activated that shit to continue his combo after a throw + otg. I liked his use of healing field. Damn that hyper is cheap, healing her while she’s getting hit pretty much doubling her life.
Yeah few people have really started to use healing field with Phoenix. It’s kinda funny that the first time I saw a 5 bar regular Phoenix use healing field was from a Japanese video. All of a sudden you gotta pull out a combo video combo just to even really hurt her and then by that time she’s gotten the 5 meters again and more time to blow you up.
Let’s not go overboard on assumptions. I love Haggar but I know the guy is not top tier.
But yeah. Let’s get on the mid tiers. This should be fun.
no he doesnt.
a lone wolverine is much better than a lone mags
The only problem with this is that it leaves you with B.R.O.D.O.K. on your team, which is just bad business.
I hate Akuma’s normals in a big way. It’s like he’s flailing around with stumps.
@DevilJin
When I said Wesker has a problem punishing assists, I ment killing them off if they get caught in a combo. For example lets say you catch the point and assist character in a combo, it’s difficult for wesker to actually finish off the assist character because his otg only picks up the point or assist, but not both.
Oh yeah that’s a specific issue I had with Wesker with the first tournament I went to. It’s not a big deal now though because there’s specific tools to circumvent that. With my team now of X23/Wesker/Akuma it works out where I will just turn on XF to kill the character with Wesker. Usually I try to put X23 first and she OTG’s for herself and can hit both characters with her OTG.
The Wesker XF 2 character kill bnb I use is do c.L, c.M, s.H hit confirm into level 1/2/3 XF, c.M, s.H, qcf+M to wall bounce blah blah launch BBC maximum wesker and the assist character is definitely dead and the point character most likely dead or very close to it. Easier than remembering to call an assist and gives you a chance to finish off the next character coming in with some XF shenanigans. You’ll also get like more than 2 super meters for killing off 2 characters.
That combo will one shot Magneto with pretty much any assist he called even during level 1 XF.
I wonder if people are really experimenting with XFC on block enough. I feel like if Wolvie uses divekick in his pressure too much, you could block it and immediately XFC and blow him up. With certain teams, I can see this being totally worth it.