Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe

[Vandy]

Ban for what? Casual play online? There aren’t any tournaments for this game.

[1TruKing]

Pancho=Bruce Wayne.

Seriously though, I don’t see the appeal of a game that has systems built into the game that are designed to be broken from the get-go. Rage yields 4 hits super armor and 2 hit guard break properties. Combo breakers remove up close pressure game, there are no real lows to speak of, and there is no incentive to throw. So where is the 50/50 game? What sort of game is there? I’m not trying to be a jerk, I’m just wondering what people are seeing in this game.

In regards to banning stuff to make it better, let me say this. If you have to take a part of the game away in order to artificially make a game better, there’s something wrong with it. It means that there is something wrong with the coding/design. If rage mode is banned, it’s just a band-aid to the underlying problem, not to mention makes the community that follows it scrubby from the start.

As I said before, what’s so special about MK vs DC? All I see is a quick marketing tie in with ass backwards game play.

Most of the rage combos and tactics are impractical at best. Certain characters do have some very legit uses though sub zero and raiden mainly.

Plenty of useful lows in the game flash, lantern, khan, darkseid, superman, jax etc… and throwing is a very underused and underrated tactic. throws will grab opponents that are jumping so you can tick with it and people are less likely to jump away allowing more pressure and more mixups.

Breakers don’t remove all the pressure because you do need to build the meter and that isnt always easy.

[AceKombat]

There really needs to be a tourney or something to determine a tier list . I’m a Green Lantern player btw .

[Tim_Static]

There really needs to be a tourney or something to determine a tier list . I’m a Green Lantern player btw .

I’ll do the reading the thread thing for ya

this is the offline tierlist…

1. Green Lantern - db2:db2:db2 is unbreakable by itself and in combos, by itself it does 21% alone. any combo ending in 114bb3 grants adv and in corners leads to traps. bb3 punishes most projectiles from up to 3/4 screen. b1 is a 7% low poke that grants adv on hit and u cannot jump out of repeated b1’s on hit, u must low block opening up a 50/50. b2 is a safe mid launcher. 113 is a safe 4 hit string and it give himself good meter when its blocked, on hit this string can be canceled with db1 for a damaging juggle. df3 is a fast projectile with good recovery. db1 may be the best projectile in the game, its safe from max range vs most characters and it juggles. otg breaker grants a guaranteed db1 into juggle vs non airborne moves.

2. Darkseid - fast eye beam which can catch jumpers and if it does catch an opponent in air it guaranteed a ground pound. anti-air eye beam and its pro-move version both guarantee a ground pound. B3 is a safe low launcher. B1 is a safe mid launcher. d1 grants adv on hit and block. db3 pro-move is anti-projectile and does 18%. 11 has ridiculous recovery and on hit opens up a 50/50 with safe launchers. otg breaker guarantees a ground pound.

3. Shao Kahn - ff4 is only uppercut punishible vs crouch block and fast uppercut vs standing guard, on hit u can go into its pro-move version for 18% and the first part of the move cannot be breaker’d. bf2 hammer hits mid and leads to 50% combo. b2 is a safe mid launcher. b4 is a safe high launcher. bb1 is a very fast projectile with great recovery. b3 is a 5% low that grants adv. otg breaker guarantees ff4 pro-move in open space and in corners guarantees a juggle for 40%+.

4. The Flash - bf4 covers full screen and punishes almost everything from anywhere on the screen which is something that no other character in the game can do and this move can buffered from block to come out with no delay which gets flash out of so many frame traps. also, because the bf4 Flash Dash is so fast your opponents must be careful with any movement. b3 is a low pop up with ridiculous range that leads to a 40% combo. 3 hits mid and leads to a near 50% combo. db3, db1, and db4 all avoid all projectiles and db1 can be canceled into a throw.

5. Raiden - 6 frame teleport and teleport pro-move is ridiculous. shocker pro-move extends juggles causing damaging combos. proximity blast gives him one of the best projectile games in MKDC especially with the ability to charge it to be unblockable. avoids players on rage mode very well. great rage game. fast jabs that give adv on block. b2 is a VERY fast high launcher.

6. Batman - fast Jabs that give adv on block. b1, and 3b1 launch leading to 40%+ damage and r 100% safe. db1 batearang grants combo on comeback hit and gives adv on block, it hits high so it must be ducked. db4 is a fast low attack that does 10%. b4 can be 2in1’d with sneaky batarang allowing Batman to keep up pressure. df1 batarang pro-move is a decent speed projectile that does 12%, the same does for his db2 projectile which does 10%.

7. Superman - b2 launcher his mid and is safe and leads to 40%. crossup uppercut and ff4 guarantee a pro-move ground pound for 37-38% and the combo is unbreakable after the initial hit making superman one of the best punishers in the game. ground eye beam can catch jumpers and does 11% with pro-move version. has a jumping eye beam which can be combo’d off of in air jumping attacks. great combo and overall damage. d3 hits low and grants adv, only 2% though.

8. Kitana - great keep away with otg ff1 hitting mid and with her in air ff1. b3 is a 5% low that gives adv and grants a 50/50. b3 is a 7% sweep. db1 teleport can also be done in air and after the teleport 1 or 2 launches and 3 or 4 does a low that gives adv and grants a 50/50. df2 fan spin is almost 100% safe as it is EXTREMELY hard to punish and can only be punished by fast jabs. 32 is a safe string that starts mid with the last 2 high hits being unduckable, any attempt to duck them and u get hit. df4 is great for 2in1’s in otg combos and also punishes most projectiles done at mid to close range as well as also going under highs. db2 square wave works great when on rage mode to stop ppl from jumping away.

9. Liu Kang - ff1 fireball can be done in air or otg and ff3 fireball hits low, when used right it gives Liu great zoning. ff2 flying kick is great for punishing projectiles from up to almost full screen. b4 is a 7% sweep. his db4 cartwheel is one of the most abuseable moves in the game by itself and it can also be 2in1’d off of otg combos, not only can he do a mid or low out of it but he can also do a special mid launcher. words cannot explain how good and abuseable db4 is and is the main reason y Liu Kang is such a force. bicycle kick is great for extending combo damage and u can always pro-move for even more damage.

10. DeathStroke - bf1 gunshot pro-move is one of the best projectiles in the game. fast normal moves from both stances. hand to hand sweep is a 7% low. weapon d1 hits low and grants adv on hit. hand to hand b1b2 and b2 r very fast, safe launchers. weapon b1 is a very fast launcher with very fast recovery and catches jumpers. weapon b3 is a 7% low that grants adv. close grenade is great vs teleporters.

11. Scorpion - hellfire is unblockable and does 9%. teleport and teleport pro-move can grant free spear into damaging juggles. overall damaging combos. above avg lows that grant good wakeup. d1 jab guarantees free hellfire which is great as punishment vs opponents who abuse traps that u can d1 out of. b3 is a safe, mid launcher that guarantees spear into combo.

12. Sub-Zero - damage no longer scales after freeze. after freeze in air or otg it grants a rage combo if Sub-Zero is close enough to the opponent. slide is a 9% low. db2 air iceberg is unblockable and is great to end juggles with to extend damage. db1 ice statue is 10% move that catches any mid or high move that touches it while its in its active frames, this move can be used to get out of frame traps. because his damage is no longer scaled after freeze u can no longer trade projectiles with Sub-Zero because if u do he can now deal over 40%.

13. Captain Marvel - almost every normal attack is safe. bf4 pro-move does 19% and cannot be breaker’d. db3 is unblockable and does 11%, works great on wakeup and vs ppl jumping in. bf2 hits mid, travels 3/4 screen, does 15%, and can be used as a mixup vs players trying to duck his projectile. bf1 does 11% and can be a tricky projectile for 2 reasons… 1)its a long projectile so it occupies a decent amount of space so players can mistime a jump and 2) by doing bf1:f2 it does the pro-move version that goes into his bf2 which hits mid so u cant duck it. db4 is kinda like kung lao’s teleport only Captian Marvel’s can also be done in air and 2in1’d off normals. db4,4 cant be breaker’d and is safe on block. db4,2 is a mid launcher and is safe on block. 11 is his jab string… both jabs his mid and u can 2in1 db4,2/4 off of them. b4 is the low toe kick that does 5% and gives adv granting a 50/50.

14. Jax - db3 and db3:db4 r great projectiles(they r VERY abuseable), if they catch an opponent jumping it guarantees a ground pound and it will also guarantee the ground pound pro-move at closer ranges. ground pound is unblockable and pro-move version does 17%. b3 is a low toe kick that does 5% and gives adv granting a 50/50. b1 is mid launcher that is safe and leads to a 42% combo. b2b21 starts high and finishes mid, leads to a combo that does 50% and is safe on block, great for punishing unsafe opponents

15. Kano - knife throw is fast, has good recovery, and does 9%. b3 is a 7% low that gives wakeup. b4 is a 2% low that gives adv but because if its push back is best uses for corner traps. df1:db2 pro-move allows ridiculously damaging combos. bf4 kano ball is fast, can be charged, and can be done in air.

16. Sonya - 2 hits high but grants adv on block so u cannot interrupt repeated 2’s, u must duck. 12 is safe on block, does 12%, besides being just safe it has great recovery, both jabs hit mid, and they grant major adv when they hit giving Sonya a mid/low/throw mixup. b3 is a 7% low sweep that gives wakeup. 14 and 4 r unsafe but lead to 45-50% damage, they r best used for punishing an unsafe opponent or using 14 on rage as 4 will become unblockable after 1 is blocked. df1 and df1:df1 r her projectiles… they do 7% to 11%(depending on if its pro-move or not), hit mid not low(but not high so its still a plus), and will duck under all high attacks and high projectiles. db1 kiss grants a combo on hit and as always this move makes it very hard for opponents to approach sonya.

17. Wonder Woman - df2 is a safe mid launcher. db3 pro-move allows damaging combos. 2 and 22 r great mid jabs. db4 is a fast hurricane kick thats only fast jab punishable on block(hits high though), and can be done in air(the in air version is great for getting in on projectiles). ff4 hits high but its safe, got good range, and does 14%. df3 is a 11% low that goes under high attacks and projectiles.

18. Baraka - hand to hand b1 is a 7% low poke that grants adv on hit and u cannot jump out of repeated b1’s on hit, u must low block opening up a 50/50. safe but high launchers in hand to hand. hand to hand f1 is a safe 11% mid that plants. blades b1 is a safe mid launcher. blades b3 is a 7% low that gives adv on hit and gives baraka a 50/50. bb3 blade slice cannot be breaker’d and the pro-move version allows damaging combos. df4 blade spin can be done in juggles setting up good damage. db1 is a slower projectile that does 9%.

19. Lex Luthor - df3 missile does 15%, can be done in air for 12%, its pro-move version allows Lex to slide back and to safety vs most of the cast. b3 is 7% low that can be 2in1’d on hit or block and grants adv on hit, this move causes ridiculous corner traps. df2 is a 3 hit, safe, mid string. 111 is a 3 hit mid jab string. b2 is a safe mid that causes a stun on hit that guarantees a combo.

20. Shang Tsung - Shang is a straight to the point character. his fireball game is good, damaging keep out. df4 pro-move leads to high damage, soul steal can be done off combos. position switch is unblockable.

21. The Joker

22. Catwoman

online its …

1. Shao kahn
2. Flash
3. Raiden
4. Green Lantern
5. Darkseid

[yourmother]

I’ll do the reading the thread thing for ya

I think he meant that there should be a tournament before we SHOULD make a tier list, not before somebody CAN make a tier list.

[Tim_Static]

I think he meant that there should be a tournament before we SHOULD make a tier list, not before somebody CAN make a tier list.

Tom Brady is one of the best 3d MK players around.

And trust me, he plays the very best, so the people in the know respect this tier list he has made. :tup:

[4649]

i was just getting decent practicing this and lo and behold someone in the apartment scratched my disc ;_;
what does this tend to go for used, anyway

[Stuart_Hayden]

What does it matter if it has a scratch as long as it’s still playable?

[System_1]

Tom Brady is one of the best 3d MK players around.

And trust me, he plays the very best, so the people in the know respect this tier list he has made. :tup:

Nobody knows for sure who the very best are, since big offline tourneys didn’t happen yet. He is probably very good, and may play othe very good players, or the best online players, but offline tournaments is what separates the very good from the best. Maybe he IS the best though, and the list seems pretty smart and solid.

Ban for what? Casual play online? There aren’t any tournaments for this game.

The game may get a spot at many tourneys, including majors such as FR, MWC or even Evo. Right now you could say the same about TvC or maybe HD Remix, games that will very likely be at Evo.

[THE_ANSWER]

What are the chances of MKvsDC being on the EVO2009 lineup?

[Tim_Static]

What are the chances of MKvsDC being on the EVO2009 lineup?

I would like to think that its a patch or two away from being that quality of a game.

Its fucking solid, and its by FAR the best MK in the last 13 years…aka since UMK3…and I believe it should be given a shot.

I mean, if garbage like DOA has been there, and if SCIV is up there, there is NO reason this game shouldnt be in that conversation.

DOA is by far the most overblown, overrated fighting game series EVAH.

[Yuna]

The potential is there. All that needs to happen is a single list of all of the game’s retarded exploits(braindead infinites, things like that) needs to be made and sent to the powers that be. Then, a patch needs to be made, and after that, the game needs to be playtested(something Midway has never done).

[Stuart_Hayden]

Highly doubtful. But hey, Mario Kart DS was at evo, so why can’t MKvDC?

Don’t expect a big turn out though if it does.

[Yuna]

If it shows up, the turnout will definitely be so tiny that Evo scraps it the next year no matter what. That’s what happened with Virtua Fighter as I recall. The thing is, though, that Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe will, as a result of its presence at Evo, be recognized by other tournaments and subsequently become a minor-league mainstay, at least for a little while.

[arstal]

I don’t think it would necessarily be a bad thing if it gets included.

I don’t think it’s ultra broke. The community isn’t a bunch of weaboos, and it may actually get play.

Would I play it in a tourney? Nope. However, if Evo is going in an all new or nearly new game direction- it’s a better choice then some other games coming out- especially since the no-brainer inclusion (Tekken 6 BR) won’t be out in time.

[Ubersaurus]

I could see it at evo, but only if tournaments actually start up for the game and get people playing in them. If no one’s playing, then why would they run it?

Exploits and shit are meaningless; look at Marvel 2. If it doesn’t freeze the game or something, odds are they’d allow it in evo.

[Tim_Static]

the game needs to be playtested(something Midway has never done).

Actually, that stopped when MK4 was made, as you can tell by the final product.

A couple of the guys who worked on this MK, such as Paulo Garcia and Eddie Ferrier, were some of the testers of the old 2d MK’s. (along w/ Alex Gilliam (aka LEX) and a couple others)

[Zamuel]

gonna ask again, why is joker low, even offline? people before said he was really strong.

I’m only average so take this with a grain of salt. However, in my opinion he’s almost like the Twelve of the game. Okay, he’s not THAT bad but essentially, he has a bunch of stuff that seems broken on paper but is toned down to the point of not being broken enough. Magic Trick isn’t safe (doesn’t hit, lacks invulnerability or super armor) and the followups don’t come out as fast as they need to. Liu Kang and others have better mix ups. The boxing glove and the bombs have a little bit too much startup and recovery to be good enough zoning tools as others in the cast do. He can’t do powerful or as long of combos as some characters. He can’t even pull a Dan and bust out meter filling taunts without being seriously punished for it. He CAN win but it takes more effort than most. The best thing in his arsenal is probably his Joybuzzer counter and there’s ways around that.

I find it somewhat funny that Wonder Woman can’t approach since they didn’t give her a projectile reflector but they did the “signature bracelet deflection” in story mode. :looney:

[B.L.Pancho]

I just got the game for PS3 and I was wondering how I should map the buttons for the hori SA1 (someone said earlier it can be played very comfortably on any stick), or shoud I stick with pad for this? How are people playing it in general?

[Josh-TheFunkDOC]

I just do the 4 attack buttons SNK style - 1 & 2 on top, 3 & 4 on the bottom. I have block & 3-D to the right of those.

You can do whatever you want, though. This isn’t an arcade game, so it’s not like there’s any standard button setup.