MK9 | Combat Mode ACTIVATED - The Cyrax Guide/Thread

Just tested out another option for ending the BnB, focused on reset and positioning. The tail end of the combo finishing with Rag Doll or Anti-Air can instead use Buzzsaw, but the ending chain must be 3,3,bf2(buzzsaw). The purpose in doing this is that after the Buzzsaw hits, the combo has ended which allows you to toss another bomb (preferrably mid-bomb). The Buzzsaw animation keeps them grounded more than long enough to toss the bomb and be set back to neutral, where they now stand up on top of a short fused bomb. Admittedly you do lose a few % of damage from the standard enders, although it seems to only be 3-5%.

The options your opponent has to avoid the bomb are:

1)Jump.
If they jump forward, you are in range to Anti-Air or net the jump-in. They appear to be just out of range to hit you with a jump-in attack as well. Net should be your best option here. If they jump straight up, net should catch them as well. If they jump backwards, you could either toss a far bomb, or teleport and resume accordingly with pressure strings or command grab.

2)Roll on wakeup.
Since the roll can only be done after the Buzzsaw has stopped spinning on them, the roll always comes out late. If they roll, same things apply as jumping backwards. Far bomb or teleport.

3)Wakeup attack.
As with the roll, this can only happen after the blade stops spinning on them. Depending on the character, this may be their best option. Certain attacks can be caught with net, others must be blocked. The ones that need to be blocked are usually easy to punish with a full combo (usually EX moves or X-rays should be blocked since armor will absorb the net).

4)Dash.
Treat a back dash like a roll or backwards jump. Forward dashes should ideally be met with a net, since if done early enough it forces them to choose to either cancel the dash with a block, where the bomb will still catch them, or to get caught by the net. Beware of X-rays or EX moves with armor here as they will just absorb the net. Pressure strings can also be applied instead of net (e.g. the tip of f2 cancelled into a bomb, blockstring/command grab mixup, etc.)

This is by no means guaranteed damage but can lead to an extra combo if you play the right oki game. I would usually forfeit the 3-5% damage for the situation this creates, since two combos from Cyrax could kill. Let me know what you guys think.

[Recomboing into Net] doesn’t work.

The release-day silent update added a cooldown time to the net that prevents you from using it again for a few seconds after the first one disappears, removing the infinite combo it allowed.

You’re apparently playing on a non-patched version (very common since PSN has been stupid and the 360 version forgets the updates whenever you’re not connected to XBL)

Edit: Don’t delete posts damnit. Now anyone reading this is going to be confused because I didn’t quote it.

Ohhhh. lol. Damn PSN.

If you want to go for a knockdown reset:

  • Net -> Jump or Dash forward -> Neutral Jump P -> Bomb

This gives you far more advantage than buzzsaw:
[list][]The bomb explodes ~40-45f after the opponent stands up instead of ~60-65f. Short enough such that the opponent will land on top of a far bomb if they immediately jump up or back on wakeup.
[
]You recover ~25-30f before the opponent instead of ~5-10f.
This opens up a bunch of other options. Teleport, dashing in, etc.[/list]

My preferred setup is still to just juggle into Net and leave them there, then either command grab or combo as they land (optionally starting with a jump punch). The main problem with oki setups is wakeup attacks; a problem that’s easily solved by simply not bothering to knock them down.

Got good results from this reset. It gets a lot of people because they don’t expect it

so how does someone beat this, aside from using a breaker?

lol, im just a fighting game scrub but i figured this out rather easily. im gonna go to evo and win =D

So, I was watching the stream tonight and, if Tom Brady wasn’t just salty that he lost to Long Island Joe’s Cyrax, and if we’re to take him at his word, apparently Cyrax’s unblockable bomb setup will no longer work come next patch.

Thoughts?

It’ll be gay, beyond gay. It’s apart of Cyrax’s metagame. He’s like Zangief, don’t let him get in or you’re dead.

I play Cage mostly anyway. So I could deal.

I would have to agree. While I’d be lying if I said I didn’t think Cyrax didn’t do a little bit too much damage (I mean, he gets anywhere from 49-59% off of that unblockable bomb setup depending on how you initiate it and whether or not you do the full combos afterwards), the reasonable response would be to tone down that damage a little bit

Tone down the damage on his command throw (after all, we don’t really need the command throw damage, it’s only the setup it provides that is necessary) and tone down the damage on either the bombs themselves or b+2, and everything would seem to be in order.

I mean, scorpion gets, what, 43% meterless off of spear? And kung lao get ridiculous damage off of jabs. If Cyrax’s damage potential from bomb traps was reduced from 50-60% to, say, 35-40% he’d be perfectly in line with all the other characters.

Whereas, without that setup…I just don’t know. I still know a couple 40-55% combos he can do without that setup but they require meter.

Edit: Personally, I’m just hoping Brady was talking out of his ass because he was salty that he lost, and that this is not the case at all.

a damage nerf would be fine, like you said lower the damage of his command throw or increase the amount of damage scaling caused by the bomb, if they remove the trap all together ill probably end up swapping to cyber subzero or something. : /

edit: anyone got a vid of Brady losing/complaining about the bomb trap?

Jaxel is in the middle of uploading videos from that tourney now.

When he’s finished, the videos from this tournament (including Brady’s loss to Long Island Joe in loser’s finals and his extremely salty commentary during grand finals) will all be located here.

Props to Jaxel, his stream, and 8wayrun.com . I know there were stream interruptions tonight, but you can’t control the quality of the internet connection the venue has, and you did a great job with what little you had to work with.

Edit: duh, my bad. I forgot to press Ctrl+V and paste the link

Loser’s Finals- Tom Brady vs. Long Island Joe


YouTube - Battlefield Arcadia @ PNT Franklin Sq #01 - LF - EMP

Grand Finals- REO vs. Long Island Joe

wow that was some major salt from Brady at the end there, I’m kind of disappointed to see someone with so much influence act like that… 20-0 if they ran it back on a new controller??? the “my controllers broke” is a pretty lame excuse but w/e
also i don’t know where he got his patch info from but i hope its false or he’s BSing

Heh… If he doesn’t like losing to stupid shit then he should stop playing a game that’s full of it.

I want to see his “Just got killed by a Quan Chi infinite” face.
(yes they patched him, but a variation of his infinite still works since all they did was increase his recovery frames without fixing the core glitch behind it).

Command Grab - Bomb Trap PATCH?

you just gotta love The TYM Forums defending tom brady

I don’t think it will be patched. I think that if it is that big a problem, the tech window for the command grab should be increased, and thats it. Cyrax without the set-up is not a good character, a lot of his game is the terror of the command grab as he can be zoned quite easily by a majority of the cast. He doesn’t have a non-ex projectile that goes straight forward, so zoning games are out of the question.

it seems whenever you try to call out brady on this
people come out of the woodworks saying show some respect! he’s one of if not the best MK9 player and knows more about the game than anyone else so if he thinks it’s getting patched it’s getting patched…

Net…

And Subby has an unblockable setup.

the net has already been nerfed they give it a huge ass cooldown to fix the infinite rather than just fix the bug that allowed it in the first place