Metaknight and the tourney scene

Classic Fighting Games Super Smash Brothers Brawl
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Im still going to be playing brawl but yeah, I pretty sure we figured everything out already, Im still failing to see the brokenness of MK but then again I got a 5:5 matchup on him.

But geez ppl you can hate the game, but I personally like it over melee still, the off the edge game is far far more interesting, the only real problem I have is that the game is slower, but yeah the entire game is now mind games, but I thought that was a good thing, it mostly just means that if you predict it you can punish it isn’t 3S the same way ???

But yeah god damn some of the tourney matches the way other people play is so boring, it normally results in run away both slowly approach attack a few times repeat, seriously, WTF. The only exception to this rule is the MK players, which is partially the reason why they do good. When I play normally the entire match we are standing within 1-3 shield bubbles away, constantly throwing out attacks while clashing and dodging by fast falling, and power-shields, and very interesting bullshit occurs, plus I really am confused why so few players abuse the toadstool it is REALLY good off the edge.

As far as other games you forgot TvC, man that game is going to rock.

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Who cares? HD Remix is all I care about now. Unfortunately, when I get back to Chicago I’ll be bored outta my mind. Nobody at my university can play ST worth crap.

This makes me sad.

Oh right, this is the Brawl forum

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Haven’t played brawl in 3 months and probably won’t for a while with way too many betetr games but it’s fun and there’s at least enough depth in the game to keep me from dismissing it completely so hit me up for some matches…in 35641237834712 years!

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The thing is, offense isn’t TERRIBLE in 3s like it is in brawl. There are no chances to land big damage in this game EVER. There are no combos, so as a result, the characters who can out prioritize and reach end up being top tier.

I would much rather have melee’s zero to death combos than brawl not having them at all. If hit stun wasn’t ass in this game, maybe MK wouldn’t be top tier.

He’s top tier for the DUMBEST reason is what I’m saying.

Imagine if there was a character in marvel who had the same priority as cykes j.hk on ALL his moves and they were all as fast mags’ LKs and that character also had the reach of sentinel.

Then, take away combos. Meaning when you finally DO hit him, it won’t be anything big.

yeah. STUPID.

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So yea ive been playing Brawl since it came out competing and whatnot, and i competed in melee before then, and recently i just picked up Melee and i jus had a reality check…Brawl makes u feel scrubby…now imma jus break down what i mean

Recovery–

In Melee, you either knew how to recover or you didnt, U always had to make sure which way you were facing, how to tech the right way, which direction to DI, and when to actually use a dodge. In Brawl, you can air dodge for days, and if the opponent is smart they’ll wait for ur air dodge to be over and attack u right after but overall I think this concept is ridiculous, cause I believe if you were to do something like dodging, ur basically saying “I want to prevent this damage from happening, therefore I am solely going into a defensive state.” Well, if the opponent predicts this, there should be that risk vs reward? But in Brawl, If you guess wrong, all that happens is u pretty much just get knocked back. While it still kinda holds the same ordeals of risk vs reward, You only hold very little pressure in the air, and basically the game just goes neutral after every hit, so it basically just gets boring.

For instance, in 3S, If you going to attempt to parry, your attempting to predict your opponents action so that you’ll gain an advantage, If you guess wrong, you’ll most likely get comboed or thrown. In Brawl, if you guess wrong, oh well, you’re in the air, and its fairly neutral depending on which character you have…

Mind Games–

Brawl is solely mindgame? WHHAATTTT? Have u played a 2df or even melee? Brawl has mind games but as the person before me said, Brawl is all about spacing and priority…and thats why MK is beast…most people say “Oh i dont have a problem with MK i can beat him up,” thats cause the MKs yall are prob playin are weak compared to the top MKs, even if Evo results had chun for the top 20, there isnt anything about her that deems her bannable material cause in 3S, the engine allows to predict and punish ur opponent…where MK can do things for free even if u predict it…watch a melee match with M2K, Ken, Forward, or your choice of top melee player, and watch how they play, when they start going at it, you can see how they can easily mind crush someone jus by merely predicting which way someone rolls…In brawl, you predict wrong, and you can jus imagine someone rubbing ur back telling you “everything will be okay…”

Execution/Broken stuff

One thing that i dont get is how you had all these people complain that everything about Melee was broken, wave dashing, wave shining, L canceling, whatever you want, but look at MvC2, all that stuff is broken but its not auto wins, and its CONTROLLED…and if you can utilize it, it makes for a competitive and fun game…While in Brawl you got abuncha mess…You have like stages banned cause of like D3 chain grab, you have things like glide tossing which doesnt make sense, you even have chars banned like MK, casue apparently MK is already banned in the Midwest…

My bad for ranting, i was kinda off topic, I still play brawl and melee, but seriously…watch the top players in each game playing another top player…Brawl is boring :confused:

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Brawl being boring depends on your tastes…if you’re playing no items then it may get stale…of course that’s IMO.

I’m not too sure about your comparison to 3s…especially your comparison about parry punishing. To this I say what? lol

Watches ken stutter step and duck his way over towards me…O.o…i…is he trying to parry me or just trying to get closer? throws in a low and it gets stuffed when he just so happens to be ducking down, and gets comboed xx supered oh jesus!

thank god that’s fixed in IV…puts up flame shield from 3s lovers

trying to punish a parry is rediculous…especially if the person covering for themself by just choosing a direction and then hitting a button afterwards or throwing to either throw you or tech supposed said throw that you were trying to do.

As for Melee in terms of ‘you either knew how to recover or you didn’t’ for me from my point of view…it was…‘SUCCESFUL DODGE…get hit anyway!’ or ‘don’t dodge…and get hit anyway!’ with certain characters…specifically dealing with marth when trying to get back on the stage since just about anything you did he pretty much had it covered. Often I felt like there was no point in even trying to come back onto the stage. That’s my experience though so I can’t speak for the rest. That’s why I enjoy Brawl’s dodging system better because even though you can dodge repeatedly…there’s still down time and you can still get punished for it.

Stages and stuff being banned is also dependent upon how you play the game I don’t see how glide tossing is anymore ridiculous than any of the other stuff that Melee brought forth onto the table lol

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yea like tripping makes complete sense to a competitive player.

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I hope you aren’t insuating that I think tripping makes sense in the game…if so I find that funny lol.

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If you didnt want to play the recovery tactics part of Melee you just had to learn Peach or Jigglypuff lol. Thats why I have Jiggs as my secondary XD

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Melee is better…

As to banning MK, I think it’s a bad idea from personal experience. There are a couple of MK players near me, but our best player uses Pikachu and Sonic and he takes on everybody with those characters, so I don’t know how unbalanced it could really be.

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what he’s saying is that despite all of melee’s design flaws, none of them are even half as stupid as tripping. Tripping is possibly the worst new feature in any fighting game ever.

Somebody just mentioned MK losing in their area to Sonic. lol. This brings me to antoher thing I hate about this game: Matchups are LOPSIDED. This game has some of the most one sided matchups I’ve seen in a long time.

Like, is it even possible for Yoshi to beat Marth? I’ve only seen it ONCE and that’s because the Yoshi player ran out the clock.

Brawl has just finally made me accept smash for what it is.

It’s no meant to be played like most fighting games. And melee was competitive IN SPITE of of that design goal. Not because they wanted it to be.

But brawl still sucks. The new items, like ATs, SBs, and the clock make item play virtually unplayable imo.

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I can attest to this.

Bowser vs. DDD

DK vs. DDD

Luigi vs. DDD

Mario vs. DDD

Fuck that penguin. Seriously.

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side b

down throw

bair.

all you need to know with DDD.

yeah, he’s boring.

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lol’d oh well I guess…I’ll still be playing this game for a while to come so I would say get someont that the fat penguin can’t infinite grab.

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everyone who bashes ssbb makes me laugh. you guys are hillarious. It is a game! its not life. and if it is your life then you need to go out and get one. holla at a girl(or a guy if you are into that thing)

smash is a GAME to plug in and enjoy. if you don’t enjoy it then take your wii, put in wii-fit, get in shape, and go out and do something active.

boo hooo… metaknight is too good:sad: its a game. get better or don’t play it. I play many broken games. even the insanely broken Marvel where only 4 characters dominate and the top players whine about the same things. I’ve never lost to a player and whined about the character he used. it was his tactics that beat me. not the character that he picked. if you have a bad matchup… just don’t pick that character. or try something different.

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Now THAT’S funny.

First off, I do work and I have a girlfriend (who’s fucking gorgeous btw). Secondly, I don’t play brawl anymore.

Third, nobody here is blaming the players. We’re blaming the game.

Finally, Marvel isn’t smash. Marvel has broken characters but it’s a team based game. And there is no best team in marvel. There isn’t ONE team that dominates the rest.

Brawl has ONE character that dominates the whole cast. Pick a different character? Ms worse matchup is 50:50. There’s not very other places to go.

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I think it’s been said on several occasions in this thread alone that while SWF-Brawl this may be the case, All-Brawl seems to make that oh-so-broken character a far cry from this. Items and banned stages bring the beast down. Go figure. SWF painted themselves into a corner then wonder why the game blows. :rolleyes:

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marvel is my main game, and no one complains about marvel cause theres not one thing that completely breaks the game…things are broken but everything is controlled, and most things are either preventable or escapable…

now i think its typical e-cocky, to attempt to try to make ur self seem like ur life is better than others on a forum, but i think if ur gonna try to make a point, atleast have some experience? kthx

in all honesty on the actual subject of this thread, i wish the Midwest and wherever else, would give it more time on the banning of a character…now i kno that MK is jus that much better and they are afraid that its gonna spread like a virus where people will jus learn MK to fight MK, but I think that the game should atleast be out for a year before a ban atleast…Now what i think people dont realize is that this isnt jus like 3S where a high tier can be beat by a low tier, but this is allowed through the 3S engine by the low tier player being able to predict and punish a move done by the high tier. But in SSBB, even if the low tier could predict MK’s moves, it doesnt even give you that much of an advantage, cause even if the low tier player punished the MK all it would do is knock the MK back…

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This game blows with and without items.

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I’m not knocking anyone who plays smash or their lifestyle. It would be small minded of me to do so. And i wasn’t attacking anyone personally. Just anyone who has no life and whines about smash like it is real life and refuse to get better at a game that hasn’t even had time to mature fully.

Plus i like controversy. :mad:

But seriously brawl is just a game. I’ll never take it to a level where the game offends me. Respect to everyone out there taking on MK and not whining about how broke the game is because of one character.