I’d meant Meta’s DTilt…
The punish I was going to suggest using is Ganon’s IAWF splash for the popup, then taking over the offense from there.
Completely forgot about that. Thanks. I might actually consider it IF it makes more characters viable (which I think it does. Guys like Fox and Sonic skyrocket to nearly high tier because they are amazing with items, among a few others).
Question regarding All-Brawl: If a banana spawns and there’s a Diddy Kong player, can Diddy still throw out 2 bananas? Diddy with 3 bananas sounds scary, especially if used well…
Yeah. Spawned bananas are independent from Diddy’s bananas. Though, the duration 3 might last prolly wouldn’t be much, due to the dissipation time.
Ganon has no safe options against MK’s D-tilt. Well, you can powershield it., but I doubt anyone can do that consistently against a MK who will Mix-ups his pokes well.
I notice that alot of players try to fall back on power shielding to argue a matchup not being bad.
“Sonic can beat snake! He just has to powershield EVERYTHING!”
I’d like to note here that Kirby doesn’t do terribly against MK.
So pick Kirby ya fucks, cause Kirby is fuckin’ pimp
You ain’t PSing something consistently that can hit as early as frame 3 and human reaction time is 12 frames.
It’s just not realistic.
And yeah. Lesser characters can PS. But so can good characters. And the good characters have good options they can use after a PS.
That’s what makes them good.
Exactly. Really if a character has to abuse powershielding to win a match, then that can’t possibly be a good match.
Reminds me of that stupid 3S argument alot of people made. “3S is balanced because of the parry lol”
Oh hell yeah “bro”.
Sean totally has a chance of beating Yun because of the Parry.
you PS the second time they do it in a row, and since its the fastest move they can launch next, its a safe bet, unless the run up and grab, but thats what this game is about. PSing unlike parrying is much safer if you mess up while having tighter timing, but their are other options.
It’s safer in the sense that Just Defending is safe (because if you mess up, you’re only blocking).
However, while you may be able to JD the hell out of somebody, that’s not the solution to a match up. It’s the same thing as saying parrying is the solution to a bad matchup.
Perfect shielding is useful, and if you do it you probably have a free hit (or if you’re someone with a quick smash like R.O.B. or Pikachu, then you got a free down smash) or two but nothing that’ll sway the match in your favor or get a stock off of 'em (unless they’re at a high percentage, but at that point if it takes a perfect shield to actually get an attack off my guess is that you’re more than getting your ass kicked)
In case you guys forgot I was mostly countering the argument that someone made where they said all MK has to do is mash d-tilt and ganon has ZERO options, and I said you can just Powershield if they are spamming it. But yeah I know PSing is not something to be relied on and just an extra bonus, but it does have its uses, primarily whenever ppl think something is safe and start spamming it.
Plus my argument on why ganon vs MK isn’t as bad as you think didn’t have much to do with PS, it was just in my opinion the best option for countering d-tilt spam, I guess it just brought back bad memories of the 3S parrying argument.
It’s just that MK has the speed and range advantage in basically every situation Ganondorf can put him in.
well ganons objective should be to mix up MK and put some serious hurt on him, and if MK is above ganondorf trust me, ganon has the range, and MKs slow fall speed works greatly to his advantage. btw ganons f-air can plow though MKs (yes I know its slow, but its a good mix up)
wow this is really going longer than I thought saying, 6:4 in Mk favor and we get OMGs, well at least you guys are providing situations and reasoning, something you wouldn’t see on other forums.
Plus ganon only needs to hit ~6-8 moves to kill MK, and unlike Ike he actually has somewhat easy to land killing moves.
MK is a fast faller although everyone falls slowly so I see what you are trying to see.
And I would say it’s about 7/3 MK maybe worse.
wow on a note about MK versus ganon, even though it is a bad matchup and all for ganon, I can’t believe someone picked MK to counter ganon instead of someone like wolf, or dedede, the guy came in saying its unwinable but it was obvious he didn’t know that he sucked at the game too hard and got dominated (this is not to prove my argument I just found it funny since this was what we were going on about), he still thought that MK was better against ganon than wolf or dedede and thinks that MK should be banned, maybe im crazy but I found melee fox/falco harder than brawl MK, even though they had counter picks.
You seriously need to play a good Metaknight one of these days.
I seriously need to find one, I know. :lovin: , if their are any in NC please alert me. Mk is like one of the 5 characters we don’t have someone who is really good with its quite weird :shake: .
Unfortunately Im at college which means 90% of the players I meet are scrubs, and 1/2 those scrubs play MK or marth and are “the best among their friends”, so I only know like 7-8 decent players.
maybe Ill get an account and put my name up there, but I distrust smashboards average skill.