Oroman you read norads post?
You’re right online matches have too much lag to prove anything but… “I said its still around 6-4 in MK’s favor, in my opinion, I mean ganon should be fearing dedede far far more than a MK”…famous last words =D
/facepalm
I swear ppl don’t know that most of that shit is punishable on sheild/powershield, depending on the move. Plus like I said you miss up B and ganon will raep you bad, and the moves audio sound comes out plenty early enough to do a reaction dodge, but thats never going to happen online, which might be the reason behind ppl thinking its so unstoppable.
by the way Dedede can grab combo ganon into triple/quadruple back air(then you die), you can’t do shit(except hope they suck at it), its a horrible match.
By the time you get out of shielding MK’s D-tilt, you have a little less than 4 frames to retaliate. Ganon has no attacks that hits on frame 4 or earlier.
DDD rapes Ganon, but MK does it better.
It’s a joke. Don’t get your panties in a bunch, toots. Yea Zoo I read his post, and he has some good points. I just despise MK as a character. Although he’s not as bad as Chun (fuck that bitch). You have to be PERFECT if you want to powershield his shit. The fact that he has multiple hitting moves does not help this situation. Out of the moves I listed, you can probably punish Tornado and Up B. Anything else is a waste of your time. Trying to punish a whiffed D tilt? Good fucking luck. Fair should be air dodged. I’m pretty “meh” about Downsmash and F tilt. I should just say fuck it and use MK.
ganon can out range MKs d-tilt, I love forward-down smash, and his moves clash with it(or outpriorize), so its not that bad, and at least MK doesn’t instantly kill ganon unconditionally after a grab, but then again ganon is just for stupid fun, and 2v2(team damage on), hur hur hur.
plus foxtrotting powershield, into grab works wonders against ppl who arn’t used to it. plus back air(while moving away from the oppenent aka jump over then to back air as falling.), is a surpsingly good pressure.
Sarcasm is so hard to express over the Internets sometime.
MK’s d-tilt, f-tilt and fair are not punishable on block.
His d-tilt frame traps on block.
I don’t think Ganon outranges MK since Marth outranges Ganon and MK outranges Marth with d-tilt and f-tilt.
I might test Ganon’s range again to be sure.
But honestly it doesn’t matter. Ganon is garbage and MK toys with him.
::gouges out his eyes::
Execution is a non issue, saying meta should be banned in brawl is like saying top 3 in melee should have been banned, or Top 3 in 3s… or DJ in t5… or any top tier for that matter.
Why do people think you can abuse unsafe moves? Why do people ignore perfect guard?
::sighs:: Please end this thread.
indeed they are not…unless Mk is is close enough for a shield grab but what MK player is gonna do that? and even still there’s a chance you may miss.
Perfect guard against MK helps a little…but not as big as you think it does…especially against stuff like Fair. but hey if you think you’re Daigo and you’re gonna pull the next Evo Moment then be my guest ya know?
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Random person in crowd: WAY TO GO METAKNIIIIGHT!
yeah perfect guard doesn’t do shit against Fair but then again that move has other problems with it, but still perfect shielding is far safer than trying to parry, mainly cause if you mess up you just old fashion shield, unless you do it too late 
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btw Emblem lord, you need to think about hitboxes not the animations, d-tilt moves MKs animation forward a bit, and ganon f-smash has range far past its animation, much like snakes f-tilt (not that much though).
and ganon is a omg what happen character as in under 2-3 seconds on a decent hit he can rack up 50-60% damage and put you in a nasty position, I personally feel like he is a far better Ike. (not debating the ike vs ganon matchup but general play style in relation to most characters).
Ohh well this is a silly argument, it would appear that everyone here at least thinks MK is the best but, not bannable.
Plus if everyone plays MK, I will know how to fight him really well. 
If Meta Knight gets to ST Akuma levels where the only way to beat him is to pick him, then I can see a ban being reasonable.
This is the most retarded post in a retarded thread. MK can be beaten by a lot of characters and has been beaten in the past with st akuma it’s literally impossible given his lock down options and obscene damage dealing.
At least it uses words like if which makes it better than 90+% of the posts on smashboards. I never played against ST akuma(but I have heard horror stories), but if #R Eddie wasn’t banned MK shouldn’t be.
Wut? Outside of Snake, DK, and Olimar I don’t think anyone else has a chance of beating him (When both players are at the same skill level). Now…if the MK player is fucking sloppy then yes he deserves to lose. When in the hell did people start comparing ST Akuma to Metaknight? At least MK doesn’t have that damn fireball that pins your ass down (you KNOW which one I’m talking about). I don’t see MK getting banned, but fuck him.
What I meant was that with enough skill almost anyone can beat mk but with st akuma although he’s not an automatic win even a scrubby player using him can rape a top pro with little effort.
Close this thread nasir plz.
LOL @ ganon can do this n that to Mk get the fuck out of here post up vids or shut up why do I post in this retarded thread? I’m out.
Zoo, man… 
When I read your posts, all I think of is wonder if you’re the Anti-Gimpyfish. All you need now is to start charging $50/hr to learn how to be an ass.
What? I’m agreeing with you, you asshat. If the character’s development reaches a point where he literally beats everyone for free, he should be banned. If not, then don’t ban him.
Learn to read, dipshit.
What’s range on DTilt like? I’m pretty sure Ganon’s got a < 4-frame option open to him if it’s within his range.
As far as Ike vs. Ganon, it’s a rapefest, and Ganon didn’t bring any lube. Ike’s wakeup attack doesn’t cover his 12, so if you get some moron that wants to try that after a SideB, that’s another free 20 damage on reaction. Obviously he won’t do that TOO much, but there are other things to punish as well, and since most of Ike’s beefier attacks leave him wide open after a dodge, you’ll get damage on him quickly.
ganons d-tilt takes longer than 4 frames to come out, but the range is pretty good, but anyways, jump over head back air, is quite the safe approach for ganon as long as he can time the back air, and is ready to air dodge, in fact air dodging over his head should be the norm, and back airing the mix up(to punish him if he tries to punish you on landing).
In my opinion though side Bs only real use is as a surprise mix up(like d-tilt over B), I can almost never hit after it so my best bet is just to drain some of my opponents shield on wakeup, or if their sheild was already gone short hop the down B in their face, for surpise sheild break/knock up (if sheild is like a midish strength), cause the last hit sneaks around low shields, and the first drains a little over 1/2 a shield, BTW shield breaks are instant kills with ganon, of course.
If both players are equal skill level, the MK player will always win. This applies to every character. The non-MK player has to be just plain better than the MK player in order to win consistently.
I personally don’t think MK is ST Akuma-level (yet). However, he is slowly destroying the tournament scene since nobody can find consistent counters to him. You literally have 3 choices regarding tourney Brawl:
- Use MK.
- Become insanely good (i.e. Azen-level) with a character not named MK.
- Quit playing tourney Brawl.
sigh If nobody played Brawl, I would have stopped playing ages ago. Honestly, the only reason why I even play Brawl is because people play Brawl and I don’t want to be bad at a game tons of people (my friends and random people included) play.
Option 4: Play All-Brawl. MK loses a lot of strengths when items are in play.