I thought Violent Ken was Ken taken over - or at least infused with - Bison’s/Vega’s/Wacho’s phycho power?
As a personal preference I never wanted to see Ryu become “evil Ryu” again. Done and gone after all. Seen it too often. Actually I wanted Ryu to not be the one who defeats Akuma/Gouki/BigNastyMan but Ken because Akuma never gave the lad enough credit. That and it be more interesting then it just being Ryu. Ryu on the other hand I hoped would actually master his own style based on what he believes and fights for - and ultimately moves onto bigger and badder foes.
As long as the big and badder foe isn’t Gill. As I still hate him. A lot.
Ryu never actually becomes “Evil Ryu”. It never happens. He overcomes that possibility. There is a reason Akuma gives up on fighting him.
It should be very obvious by the end of SF3 that Ryu is now further developing his powers with Oro. As such, even if Ryu was an eventual boss character for SF4, there’s no way he’d be evil. He’d probably be throwing rocks, hydrants, and pieces of the street at you in addition to fireballs.
Ryu is kind of like Luke in Star Wars. He had the potential for evil, but never took that path. Instead he took the longer and harder path of mastery.
As for Ken, I think the previous posts are correct. His worldly ties prevent him from immersing himself in martial arts and possibly developing the murderous intent.
Btw, CvS, CvS2, and SVC are not canon. They’re more of a semi-pleasant diversion. They’re dream games. A great example is that Sakura in CvS2 is still a young school girl while Ryu is a grown man, not the younger version seen in Alpha.
Ryu becoming “Evil Ryu” is not even a possibility?
I don’t know the official plot of SF, but I think it’d be cool if Ryu killed Akuma and in turn becomes Evil Ryu ==> SF4. Then his buddy Ken should try to stop him and that becomes the new Ryu/Akuma faceoff. And maybe he kills Ken and Mel tries to go after Ryu. I don’t know, just throwing out ideas.
Regardless of whether or not Capcom made any “official” plot for SF4 or anything leading up to SF4, I think there will be a certain level of flexibility for Udon to follow, as I don’t think most of the comic fans know all this “official Capcom plot” business… I don’t. I don’t really care either, I just want the coolest story with the awesome art Udon has been providing.
If we are to go by what Capcom has already said and done in the games, then the answer is “no”. There is no trace of Satsui no Hadou in SF3 except for Akuma. Oro through his statements to Akuma in the game has a disapproval of it anyway and would not take Ryu on as a student if he were headed down a dark path. Lastly, if Ryu were even still leaning slightly towards a darker path Akuma would be on him like flies on shit to bring it out and produce a quality fight.
As much as I like the “evil” Ryu in Alpha, the idea seems to be put to bed. Besides, do we really need to corrupt yet another classic hero after all these years?
-The game should play in 2D but use cel shaded graphics.
-The engine should have a groove/ism select of an upgraded 3rd Strike style and Alpha 3 A-ism style OR it could be a modification of the propsed CFAS engine with the multi section life bars and different tier supers.
-Though the 3D should make ingame movies slightly easier, at the very least they should pull an Alpha 3+SvC, a brief intro blurb to describe the storyline for that specific character and then individual conversations for the characters. There will be more than one main storyline since some people will fight different final bosses.
-The car bonus stage has to come back of course.
-The story would run around Urien’s ending being true which would mean that Gill is dead and Urien is striking out with his scientific plans. This should take place roughly around 2K4 so there will be a sizeable amount of time passage without making to much of the original cast too old. It should at least be 2000 if 2K4 is too far away.
Characters
-Urien: See above. He’d have his regular version and then a cheap boss version. Oh, and change his eyes to red or yellow.
-Ryu: Duh. I’m not a big fan of him but he is important. He should play mostly like his 3S self but with possibly a new special and super learned from Oro, since Oro wouldn’t really participate. He’s not entirely Oro based since…
-Ken is not playable: Someone injured him and thus he can’t participate. This is to add more variance to the gameplay by removing a shoto and more to the story due to the mystery and peril behind it. Likewise, other characters (Guile? Sagat? Dudley?) should have also been attacked.
-Sean: He plays different than the other shotos and due to Ken’s injury, he now wants to prove himself. Sean should be a somewhat joke character in personality put he should have decent (read: non-sucky) gameplay.
-Akuma: He’s here for that big deal showdown with Ryu. Normal version and a boss version. Both should have the jacket part of his gi shreadded/falling off like in a few art pictures of him. His supers should be tweaked so that one is removed in favor of the one in his 3S ending.
-Karin: By this time she’s an adult and she decides to become the official tournament sponsor (remember Akuma and Urien are running around doing their stuff). She should look like herself only in a stylish red business suit instead of her schoolgirl dress.
-Remy: We need a Guile clone and we need to know who his daddy is.
-Q: Who is he? What is he? Why is he?
-Necro: Still on the run from Urien’s forces. A few gameplay tweaks. Though still very pale, his skin tone should lean towards something slightly more natural and his pupil and iris have formed fully instead of his eye being all one color.
-Twelve: Sent to capture Necro. He should gain a new special to up his arsenal (in other words, not suck). Visually they should make him fiercer (sharper teeth and nails). Change his name to something other than “Twelve”.
-Data: Also all grown up and some of his educational studies have brought him in contact with a few of the other fighters. Instead of fighting like his daddy, Dhalsim, he fights with a staff based style like Billy Kane.
-Entirely new villainous female: Fights like and looks like a fusion of Rose and M.Bison. She is attempting to revive Shadoloo. Make her from somewhere like Australia that’s never been used in an SF game.
-Chun Li: For excuse, see above.
-Cammy: For excuse, see above and below. SF2 outfit.
-Juni: Recaptured and brainwashed by Shadoloo. She is already relatively different from Cammy so she’d just need minor tweaks like giving her Sniping Arrow instead of Spiral Arrow.
-Vega: Considering he’s not dead, Shadoloo would obviously want to recruit him again.
-Elena: Finished from medical school, she’s out to see how she can help the world. She plays different than most other characters and she’s a light hearted fluff character who isn’t bogged down by the end of the world darkness of everyone else. I think she should wear the outfit she wore in her 3S ending but with some of her traditional jewelry.
-Ibuki: Her ninja college has sent her to put a stop to Urien. She should have more options during her airborne flips than just her kunai (make her stomp kick able to be done in the air)?
-Yun: There’s a new tournament and he wants to enter.
-Yang: See above.
-Eagle: Looking for money after being fired as a bouncer. Possibly gets employed by Shadoloo but without knowing who his true employer is.
-Makoto: Still running around snapping necks and punching groins. Wants the dojo to be more popular.
-Alex: Enters tournament after much intense training. Gets caught up in Urien’s plots. Discovers why the heck Gill was so interested in him.
-Random new male tae kwon do fighter: For the heck of it.
-New spanish wrestler: Joins Hugo and Poison’s HWA. One of their members, Rainbow Mika, is victim of the attacks on fighters. They decided to test the new big guy by sending him out to find the assailant. He also seeking out his wife, a fighter who has recently disappeared…
-New latino female boxer: Lied to and then brainwashed by Shadoloo, she now does their bidding. Plays with a mix of Dudley, Balrog, and Cody. Unlike the monotone of most brainwash victims, she’s driven insane by it and acts somewhat similar to Blood Iori.
-Someone from the Final Fight games: To keep the connection between the two franchises.
That’s a lot of returning characters. In reality, although I know a lot of you guys don’t want the SF2 characters all coming back in SF4, they are what’s popular, and if Capcom wants to sell the most possible SF4 units, they’ll bring back the popular ones: Ryu, Ken, Akuma, Bison, Guile, Chun Li, Sagat, etc…
I don’t like the look of the SF3 character select screens. SSF2 and SF Alpha ones I like though. And no lame hip-hop music either. If Capcom wants to continue the SF franchise, they have to keep similar to the SF game that make it huge: SF2… I’d remix some of that music to make bass heavier, etc…
As stated earlier, I don’t think many fans care much about what’s official storyline or not as much as actual gameplay in terms of the game. And I still like the idea of Ryu going down the dark path. Kill Akuma and take his place… guy’s getting old anyway.
He becomes “Evil” Ryu for a breif second in SF1 when giving Sagat his scar, then he battles with the SNH all throughout the SFA series, and its not known if he actually tranformed or not during the Alpha series, but its known he could have, and that he was fearful of changing which is why he basicly threw every fight in Alpha series, ie Ken, Sagat, Sakura.
No, by SF3 it just basicly seems impossible that he would ever use the SNH again.
There is nothing to claim that as official, specialy since Akuma’s story has always been about fighting worthy opponents, which is what he has always considered Ryu to be.
Then there’d be no reason for him to be the boss then now would there? Specialy since SF1, SF2, SF3, have all involved tournaments of which the final boss was the host of the tournemnt, and what reason would Ryu have to host a tournament?
Luke turned to the Dark Side, in Star Wars Dark Empire, which is one of the most fan favorite storylines in the SW Expanded Universe.
Ryu can have had totaly given up the SNH and still turn, without even slightly leaning towards it, all that has to happen is for a situation to present itself that forces him to change, like him being forced to kill Akuma, would do the trick.
Zamuel - I see we both agree on the Latina Boxer in SF4! :karate:
Now that Capcom USA has the rights, I hope they create some sort of avenue where we can send all our SF4 ideas, or just listen to what we think/want from SF4.
I think before you try to come up with any story for SF4, it’s important to realize a few things about the story and the culture that it comes from.
As far as I can tell, the theme of the “Chosen One” is a big one in Japanese culture. And as most of you know, the SF story originates in Japan. Ryu is the “Chosen One” in SF. He’s the one that is driven to train constantly, and always manages a new technique or new power. For whatever reason, Ryu fulfills the role of Chosen One, and is often the focal point of the SF story, and should remain so.
You hear people talk about how “boring” Ryu is. This is because, as a culture, Americans have a hard time relating to the theme of “Chosen One”. American culture is filled with the theme of the “Hero”, the normal guy who rises to become the best through sheer determination or some outside motivation. This is why so many American fans want to believe that Guile won the second tournament. Guile is an American, first of all; and second, he fulfills the role of “normal guy who wins out of determination” (in this case, for revenge).
But Ryu will always be the best, because he was designed to be the best. It is Capcom’s wish that Ryu be the focal point of the story. They want the “Chosen One” theme to rise above the “Hero” theme.
That’s why humble, Japanese Ryu has always been and will always be better than his flashy, American counterpart Ken.
It’s also why, even though Alex is American, he’s only supposed to be important because he’s the key to some mystery/prophecy of great importance. He’s not important inherently, but because of factors outside himself (like Ryu).
So any story that originates should deal with characters of great power, not of great skill. The way I look at it is this:
Characters of “Power”:
Ryu, Akuma, Gill, Bison, etc.
Characters of “Skill”:
Guile, Chun-Li, Alex, Ken, etc.
The characters of Power are those who have some potential in them that can be or has been awakened. This is also a recurring theme in Japanese culture.
The characters of Skill are those who are really good fighters, but lack the sometimes godlike power that is needed to compete with the best.
If you truly want to do justice to SF, you will make stories that revolve around the settling of this type of conflict.
I’m working on a story idea that I’ll present shortly, but first I’d like to see what everyone thinks of my observations.
I think there are several ways that you could reasonably account for Bison’s return, and I haven’t settled on any particular one yet. Here are a couple ideas I’ve had:
Since Bison’s Dolls were all supposed to have been “clones”, one might argue that Shadaloo could go on a manhunt to retrieve the Dolls (Cammy included), in an attempt to resurrect Bison by collecting the remnants of him in them. This approach would most likely involve the death of Cammy. The alternative to this would be to have all of the Dolls except Cammy captured, resulting in a resurrected, if incomplete, Bison.
You might also take the “Q is Bison in disguise” road. While interesting, I’m not exactly sure how you’d explain it.
Going off of Gill’s prophecy of the world ending, you could say that the impending Apocalypse has upset the balance between this life and the next, allowing Bison to escape from Hell. This could conceivably result in a “demonic” Bison, which would essentially be a return to his all-powerful state in SFA, so it’s not that much of a change.
You could avoid angles one and three by simply saying that Bison’s scientists constructed another Psycho Drive and used it to resurrect him, somehow.
That’s all I have for now, but I’m pretty sure I could come up with more.
Ryu has never been portrayed as being “A Chosen One” even slightly. The only characters Capcom has mentioned having pre-ordained destinies are Alex, Gill, and Urien.
Fans already kinda know Ryu’s path and/or where he’ll end up, and giving he a Chosen One type story just seems so cliche for someone like him.
What are you talking about “choose to believe” its more or less fact that Guile won SF2, do to the fact that he’s basicly the only one that could have one. Everyone knew that it was always either Chun Li or Guile that won, nobody else had the possibility, specialy not Ryu considering he dropped out, and when SF3 came out it was confirmed that Chun Li took down Shadowloo, and if she had infact beaten Bison, it would of more then likely been stated instead of that.
Plus I’ve gotten the “Guile was the winner” answer straight from the mouths of Capcom, so after I heard that, it no longer became debatable.
Where have you been?
Ryu was the main focal point of the SF story in SF1 and that was it. With each sequel Ryu’s story has gotten smaller and smaller, except the Alpha series, which was a prequel.
Alex’s role was only hinted at in SF3, and was more of a set up for SF4 if Capcom chooses that direction for SF4, which they do already have a potential SF4 storyline written up on the whole “Prophecy” storyline.
Guile really has never shown that he had skill, that was more Charlie’s department. And if you think Guile has skill because he won SF2, then know the only reason he won is cause he didnt have to fight any of the powerful fighters like Ryu and Sagat.
The Dolls were all just teenage girls that were brainwashed, and I dont know what they could possibly do to get Bison’s soul out of hell, plus Shadowloo hasnt existed for a number of years in the SF universe.
Nah, Bison’s soul is trapped in hell, and I think Q’s identity is already known.
Thats basicly one of two of the only ideas that would work, the other being Akuma dying, thus his of the Shun Goku Satsu, which sent Bison’s soul to hell, dying as well, allowing Bison’s soul to return to the plain of Earth.
I’m not necessarily talking about preordained destinies, although I see how that can be taken from what I wrote.
Ryu is always chosen as the receiver of some new technique (SNH), or some new training (Oro), or a new philosophy (Sagat). Everyone else fights for revenge or honor or fame, but he’s always above all that, working in the background. With each new game, he takes one step closer to the “God” tier of Akuma, Bison, and Gill. That’s basically what I meant by his “Chosen One” status. Out of all the characters, he is the one Capcom designed to undergo the most progress.
I disagree here. No one knows where Ryu will end up. Going off of your assertion that Guile won the second tournament, we see that Ryu has lost the last two SF tournaments. I would not have predicted that, and I don’t think many else would have. Will Ryu learn new techniques from Oro? Will he finally fight Akuma? Will he finally fight Sagat? Will he play a role in the drama surrounding Gill? No one knows, and who cares if it’s “cliche”? Ryu is the hero of this franchise. He has spawned knock-off characters. Ryu is Street Fighter. There’s no reason to believe that he’s constantly training and bettering himself and developing these new powers, only to have them go to waste because someone else will save the day.
It’s not about “choosing to believe” but “wanting to believe”. You heard it straight from Capcom? Good for you.
But what about all the other people who never talked to Capcom, and just hear it from people like you? It’s easy for them to believe Guile won the tournament, based off of nothing other than your word, because as a culture, we like Guile winning the tournament.
You say that Ryu’s role gets smaller, which is fine. That’s your opinion. My opinion is that his role is just as big as ever. That’s like saying that Akuma is irrelevant because he doesn’t have any role besides wandering around fighting strong characters. If there is no direct conflict, then the characters don’t need a big role to remain important. When Gill’s Apocalypse prophecy starts to play out, then characters like Ryu and Akuma, who possess godlike power, will have tremendous roles. If the conflict is just winning a tournament, then characters like Guile and Alex can be important, especially when the truly powerful people don’t care about the tournament itself, but are there for another fighter specifically. Ryu’s power is growing, and has been growing ever since the first SF game. It will not be wasted.
Whether he fought Ryu and Sagat or not, he still had to fight Bison, and he won. I think that alone qualifies him as a good fighter and places him in the category of “Skill”. I’m not sure what you’re taking my “Skill” category to be, but all it consists of is the people who don’t possess godlike power, but are still good fighters.
You could make the argument that all of the souls were connected by the Psycho Drive, and that remnants of Bison’s soul are in all of them through their connection to the Psycho Drive. And obviously, this would involve the return of Shadaloo.
If Bison really was Q, then that would mean that his soul was freed from Hell, and this could be accomplished by any of the ways I mentioned. So this would just be Capcom going back and explaining an occurence after it happened, not trying to justify it beforehand. And I wasn’t aware of Q’s identity.
I disagree that there are only two possibilities to explaining Bison’s return. This is a video game, and is held to about the same level of credibility as a comic book. All Capcom has to do is give us a reason, and we have no choice but to accept it.
Capcom could come out tomorrow and tell us that after suffering one of Zangief’s spinning pile drivers, Dhalsim let out a curry fart that released Bison’s soul from Hell, and you couldn’t do a damn thing about it.
But if you want logic, I doubt that your way works better than some of the others I proposed. The Shun Goku Satsu might have sent Bison’s soul to Hell, but that doesn’t mean that it’s keeping it there. I can build a house with a hammer, but if I destroy the hammer, the house doesn’t collapse. So Akuma’s death doesn’t mean anything. If nothing else, maybe it would set up a gigantic battle between Bison and Akuma in Hell, which would be pretty cool.
Yeah its kinda hard to figure out where a Nomad Karate Master will end up, oh wait, no it isnt considering Ryu’s life has ALWAYS been the same, he may experience diffrient things in each game but his story is always the same.
Even in RYU FINAL which alot of fans love Ryu was given the type of ending that was expected.
Ryu dropped out of SF2, so he didnt lose that one, and in SF3 he was defeated by Oro, so the SF3 tournament was the only one he actually lost, and he easily could of won SF2 if he hadnt dropped out.
Really? You couldnt figure out that its the main character of each game that wins the SF Tournament?
Except those who have read/know all the SF4 potential plots, and I was luck enough to find out one of them, and going by that one…
Yes and his overall style will change from the ground up as well.
Yes, but Akuma wouldnt be playable in the game, ie the fight is part of Ryu’s SF4 backstory (in this storyline)
No, not at least in this story.
Not really.
Anyone who cares about the storyline, and knows that Capcom could or someone else could easily come up with something better.
No, he was the hero of SF1, and that was it.
I didnt get a chance to find out what all the potential storylines for SF4 were, but I do know that in all of them, he had finally reached a “master” status, and had completed his original journey, but now was part of a diffrient journey.
If Capcom of Japan states it, it automaticaly becomes canon.
And wtf does are culture have to do with it? In Japan they accept the fact that Guile won SF2 and Alex won SF3, it has NOTHING to do with culture, ie what you’re talking about is just plain wrong and a stupid aurguement that makes no sense.
Also TRY just TRY to prove that one of the other SF2 chars aside from Guile won the SF2 Tournament, because you wont be able to.
My opinion? Thats more of a fact there smart guy.
SF1/Ryu = Main Character
SF2/Ryu = Enters to fight strong opponents, fights Ken and then drops out.
SF3/Ryu = ??? - There to fight strong opponents (wait where have I heard that before?)
IS???
There hasnt been an all new SF game since 1999, so how could Ryu’s story be just as big as was if not bigger then it was back in SF1.
Also if you’re refering to Ryu’s potential storyline(s) ala SF4 that dosnt count since nothing has yet happend with it, nor do you know anything about SF4 or what it could be.
Akuma has overstayed his welcome and fans even think so, which is why they put two characters in SF3 more powerful then he was (Oro and Gill) and the only reason they included him in SF3 was cause it was easy to do.
They even killed off Akuma in the SFEX series because he was worthless.
Also Ryu can never progress if Akuma stays around.
Nor do they need to stay in the storyline.
Nope for two reasons…
The prophecy wont happen till over 100 years from now, going by the SF3 story.
If any other characters aside from Alex, Gill, and Urien would play a big part in The Day of Reckoning it would of been mentioned in SF3, like it was with Alex.
In the SF4 story I got to check out, the prophecy or “Day of Reckoning” was forced to happen earlier then expected, and Akuma was no longer around (neither was Oro) and Ryu being there does have an impact on it but its minimum, and its the same impact that several of the other characters have too.
In the SF4 story I learned about the tournament and the people involved in it had a twist, because this time the fate of the world was on the line, ie the fate of the world (in this story) depends on what happens in the SF4 tournament, and most of the chars that enter the tournament enter to save the world, so every character (with that story) becomes equaly important.
So, that throws your theories, ideas, opinions, all to waste.
Oh wow, Guile managed to deafeat an INCREDIBLY WEAK version of Bison (canon) and that dosnt show Guile has skill, only motivation.
Skill would be Charlie being able to take on SFA3 Bison by himself.
No, cause then where does the Psycho Drive come from, and what fuels it since it needs Psycho Power, and Bison was the ONLY character known to use it. Its never stated that Cammy or The Dolls were able to use Psycho Power.
Also even if all that were set up it wouldnt help Bison escape Akuma’s Shun Goku Satsu, as it causes demons to constantly attack the victim’s soul in hell, ie Bison would have to escape the power of the SGS, which would have to involve Akuma dying, for what you’re talking about, and quite a few other things would have to happen or be in place too.
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No, because Akuma is still alive.
How do you figure that considering ALL your theories were extremely flawed and made no sense given the canon (except that balance one)
Supposedly its the female Interpol Agent in Q’s ending, although there’s an official pic where you can see the back of Q’s head and you can see that he has blonde hair, which contradicts the interpol agent thing.
Also Capcom wouldnt bring Bison back in such a lame way either. If Bison comes back it will be BIG he wont be hiding or pretending to be another person, he’s gonna let everyone know he’s back, which he already did once already, ie SF2 after dying in SFA3.
Uhm yes it does.
Yes it dosnt, why dont you actually learn about it.
Thats not the same principal on how the SGS acts. How can you even talk about it when you know nothing about it?
Of course you dont relize all this stuff about Akuma, his powers, hell, Bison’s soul, etc, etc, I’ve already disscussed heavily with Capcom of Japan, ie I was able easily come up with stuff after talking with them.
There is not one single piece of canon evidence that Ryu dropped out of SF2 tourny. I know the canon guide suggests that it was likely to be Guile or Chun-li that won, but there is no official statement on this fact. Capcom have not stated who won SF2 and have not said that Ryu dropped out. I think a lot of people agree that Ryu won (from who I have talked to), this OPINION is also reflected in many mangas and comics.
You’re right about SF3 though, as far as I know.
The only ‘proof’ that Guile won the tourny was that he had the most reason to fight Bison. i.e. His ending would supposidly be incomplete if he didn’t beat Bison. However, if you think about it, the same can be said about Ryu as his ending is that he walks away from the awards cerimony. How can he do this if he didn’t win SF2? Guile could have had words with Bison after he was beaten by Ryu (just a thought) so it is not enough to call it proof.
CONCLUSION: The winner of SF2 is not definate. Some say Ryu, some say Guile. There is NO canon winner as yet.
Cool, do you have this pic as I don’t have many Q pictures. An IM would be much appreciated :bgrin:
I’ve only read part of the FanFic but it looks good so far.
Yeah, but if I have gotten word about certain things, like the above, straight from Capcom of Japan, that automaticaly makes whatever they told me canon, ie Guile winning, Ryu, Ken, and Sagat dropping out, etc.
Capcom’s intention with the SF2 ending, was to let the player believe whatever they wanted to believe, however over time and 10 other versions of SF2 that kinda changed, and if you were to ask them now (dierectly) who the winner was they would say Guile.
Also note the UDON will be asking Capcom of Japan about who won the SF2 Tournament when getting near that point in the comic series, so be on the lookout for that.
I dont have it, but its in the Eternal Challenge book though.
TAS, it’s pretty pointless to argue with you for several reasons:
One, you’re kind of an asshole. Your posts possess a measure of condescension and hostility that is really unnecessary. In case you hadn’t noticed, I’m new to this board, and all I was really trying to do was make a few statements about cultural themes and add a few ideas for the SF4 storyline to the others already present here.
Two, I lack the connection to Capcom of Japan that you claim. You talk about all these things that you learned directly from Capcom. Hey, good for you. If you know things that the rest of us don’t, why don’t you share them with us? It’d be nice of you to tell us this “insider” knowledge you have in an informatory manner as opposed to just deriding me for what I do not and cannot know, lacking the “connections” that you have.
Three, any argument with you could potentially be settled by the ultimate trump card of “Capcom of Japan says so.” I have no way of knowing how accurate your statements are, or how much of them is your own interpretation of what Capcom has said. It really doesn’t matter anyway. The fact that you claim to have inside knowledge provided by Capcom, coupled with the fact that I do not, puts me at a distinct disadvantage.
I never said that Guile didn’t win the SF2 tournament. All I said is that it’s easier for certain fans (read: Americans) to believe that he won without any hard evidence or the word of Capcom, and based off of nothing but the word of people like you, because of cultural factors. Guile is the typical, John Wayne, American hero, naturally making him a fan favorite and spawning defenses of his victory in the SF2 tournament, even when there is no hard evidence to back up those defenses.
You cannot discount any theories about Bison’s resurrection, whether you agree with them or not. As I said (and as you said), whatever Capcom says, goes. So if Capcom decides to go with my “Dhalsim curry fart releasing Bison’s soul from Hell” angle, there really isn’t a whole lot you can say. And it makes all the speculation about what is or isn’t plausible completely meaningless. All you can do is come up with new ideas; none of which you can disprove.
That’s really it for now, I think.
If you do know things the rest of us don’t, then try sharing them with us, as opposed to criticizing us for what we can’t know.
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Yeah, but if I have gotten word about certain things, like the above, straight from Capcom of Japan,
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I would take things you hear from people (even if directly) with a pinch of salt. Unless it is officialy documented somewhere, and not contradicted in a later official documention, it doesn’t really mean much. For all you know, what you heard may just be a few peoples view on the SF storyline take by CoJ.
I really hope they do. If this is the case, we can finally put this topic to rest However, I would only accept it if Erik himself confirms that it was fully endorsed by CoJ as a company and not just a few individuals there.
:xeye: I actually have EC (Jap ver.), guess I need to look through it again. Cheers…
I’ve already shared this info, I posted it in the storyline disscussion thread already, and whether Tiamat has added them to the guide or not, I dont know, and the info is only going to help those who read the guide AFTER I posted the info, ie would you read the canon guide again after you’ve already read it? I doubt it, and the best way of getting the info I know, known is by posting it in the guide however only people who read it from this point on (or whatever) would know the info, but it would eventually start spreading after that.
UGH.
CULTURE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
If you’re logic was correct then the majority of people who played SF2 in Spain would think Vega was the winner of SF2, and the people who played SF2 in Thailand would think Sagat was the winner, and people in China/Hong Kong would think Chun Li (or Fei Long) was the winner, etc, etc.
Also try and note the fact that Guile was/is the ONLY SF2 character shown defeating Bison in all of (the most up to date versions) the SF2 endings, so that should tell you something.
I’ve actually talked with Capcom about Bison’s resurection, plus I know basicly everything there is to know about the canon, so I pretty much know what is and isnt possible in terms of his ressurection, and remember you actually had an idea that could work, however none of the other ones, going by Capcom or the canon would work, and thats not an opinion, thats a fact.
Also one of things Capcom told me was “when it comes to SF’s storyline we never want to make things complicated” ie if you try and come up with something too complicated that has too many parts, its not going to work (according to them) they were telling me fans need to be able to understand a story through a sentence or two, which is why the SF chars stories are just that, so something like The Dolls coming back, each of them being connected through Bison’s soul, using a newly constructed Psycho Drive (which has to be explained) Bison’s soul being able to over come the Shun Goku Satsu, etc, etc, is just too complicated, using Capcom’s standard or not.
You know I actually wrote a SF storyline (which you can read in the fan fic section) which spawned from my idea for a SF game, a game that I pitched to Capcom of Japan (along with several other various games) that they actually really enjoyed because of thought I put into it and making sure it also stayed true to the canon (or so they told me) and there was only one part of my storyline they had a problem with or felt iffy about, however defenitly understood why this thing was in the story once explaining it to them (if you read the first part of my story, you might figure out what Im talking about, as I dont want to just say it and spoil it incase you read it)
I wasnt just talking to some random person about the SF storyline. There were people at CoJ that directed me to those employees there who knew everything about SF’s past and future, ie I wouldnt of been able to find out the stuff I did if I wasnt talking to the right people, and not everyone who works for Capcom knows anything about SF.
You’d have to ask Erik directly when the time comes as he dosnt just blurt out stuff about (or anything) when it comes to CoJ, unless asked, like aside from all the stuff he’s already told us or helped us with like “Charlie Nash”, what Chun Li’s dad is supposed to look like, etc, etc, but one thing I was curious about that I had to ask him directly about was if UDON was able to do their own SF spin off comic about what happens after SF3, as I already knew they wouldnt be able to do that with the current ongoing series, something I wanted to be involved in as well as REY who I was hoping would of been able to draw the comic (specialy since Ive been a huge fan of his for years and have always watned to work on something with him) but this was the response I got from Erik…
I was glad that he was actually able to actually explain everything to me, rather then giving the same BS answer most people from companies give, ie “thanks for ideas, we appreciate them, however at this time we currently arent looking to do anything new, etc, etc”
The thing that I totaly forgot about though was the bad shape the comic industry is in, but rather trying to come up with something new for SF fans, and if it did will would better movtivate Capcom to make another SF game quicker (rather then waiting till 2007-2008) a game in which fans would already like the story (if based off this comic) since they would know and be familiar with it before hand.
However, I would only accept it if Erik himself confirms that it was fully endorsed by CoJ as a company and not just a few individuals there.