Mel Masters

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You’re still not understanding me. I did not say that each country will rally behind the fighter of their own nationality.

All I said is that it is easier for Americans to accept Guile as the winner, with no absolute evidence, because he fits our typical American hero role. Whether he actually won the tournament or not is irrelevant. The only thing I am saying is that Americans want to believe that he did because of the theme he fulfills.

Endings mean precisely jack shit. Video game endings are tailored to the character that you beat the game with. So this means that (according to the revival endings), these people could have won:

Ryu - Asks if he is now the "world’s strongest fighter"
Guile - Usual ending of deciding not to kill Bison
Dhalsim - Claims that he has “dealt with” the evil, and can now return home
Vega - Says that he has proved himself to be the world’s strongest and most beautiful
Bison - Usual ending of world domination
Akuma - Master of the fist beats “king of darkness”

All of their endings deal with the defeat of all competition. And before the revival endings, people like Chun-Li, T-Hawk, and especially Sagat were all potential winners of the tournament, going by just the endings.

If you heard it directly from the creators of the game, fine. But video game endings are as poor an excuse for evidence as I can think of.

There is no “impossibility” in any proposals. We both agree that whatever Capcom says becomes canon. They don’t have to try to stick to what is already established. They can make any resurrection occur and just explain it away afterwards. Whatever they come up with simply becomes canon. There is no limitation placed on their creative license. The justification doesn’t need to be there from the beginning. Hence, anything could potentially happen.

This I can understand a little better. I’m all for simplicity and clarity. Unfortunately, they haven’t exactly given us either of those things thus far, considering how much ambiguity and room for interpretation there is in the series.

And why does anything have to be explained?

They didn’t explain how the Dolls had been created before they appeared. The Dolls were there, and we found out later why they existed.

Each of the Dolls being connected through Bison’s soul is no more complicated than each of them being “clones” of him, or each of them having access to Psycho Power, or Cammy sharing his “DNA” (which is impossible), or Rose being the other half of his soul even though she’s a woman.

They didn’t go into detail about the construction of the Psycho Drive. It simply existed. It was built, and that was that. They could easily build another.

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There is evidence that he won, most notably his ending and the fact that he was the main character of SF2, and the main chars ALWAYS win the tournaments, there’s your evidence.

No, the Revival endings were meant to be the defenite endings none of the ones you listed have anything to do with the chars winning the tournament, its not like SFA3 where everyone beat Bison, or SF3 where everyone beat Gill, each character had their own personalized canon SF2 ending (except Bison) notice how in the original SF2 several of the endings (Ryu’s notably) showed the chars winning the tournament or beating Bison, where now thats all been undone/changed and Guile is the only one shown winning.

Post 2000 they do.

They said one of the reasons they did the All About books was so that they didnt ever have to go back and change anything, and so fans could know the story straight from them.

They also told me they were thinking about doing a “All About Street Fighter” book which would explain EVERYTHING about SF, its chars, story, etc, etc, in detail and would also answer alot of unasnswered stuff, most notably what became of certain characters (like Adon for instance according to them was killed by Akuma) however they said they probaly wouldnt be publishing this till around the time SF4 comes out.

They also told me they were thinking of doing a MegaMan book and Resident Evil book in the same fashion.

Except all the stuff listed in the All About books.

No, because in 2000 they decided they werent ever going to do anymore retroactive changes with SFs storyline(s)

Wha???

They’ve always given us the one to two sentence storylines.

Then for the more detailed explanations of the storyline there are the All About books.

There are gaps and certain things that allow people freedom when writting fan stuff if they want to stick to the canon, however Bison, The Dolls, Psycho Power, The Psycho Drive, isnt really one of these things, unless talking about his past, ie explaining his origins.

Not everything has to be explained however something major like Bison coming back would HAVE to be explained, specialy since he’s always been one of the most major chars in the SF storyline, then there’s the fact that his ressurection brings up too many questions, that if werent explained would just lead to way too much confusion and people feeling like Capcom just copped out on them.

In the All About books they do, and in SFA3 they explain that they are Bison’s soldiers, who were brainwashed “little girls” which is a simplified version of the explanation in the All About books, so I dont know what you are refering to, since their story was explained in two places, one of which being the game itself.

Yeah, The Dolls were there, and then you had to play through the game to find out about them, which isnt uncommon when it comes to characters and games.

Someone being connected to someone else’s soul IS complicated, just look at Rose and Bison, nuff said, and it was already explained (and obvious) that The Dolls werent clones of Bison.

It was already stated that The Dolls couldnt use Psycho Power, specialy since it was stated Bison was the only person who could use it, and if the Dolls could of used it we would of seen it in the gameplay, storyline, or the All About books.

No, because its stated that it has to be powered by Psycho Power, and Bison is the ONLY character Capcom has created/revealed to use Psycho Power, there were two other chars Capcom mentioned long ago that Bison trained with, as well as their master who were able to use it as well, but thats it.

You know what, you should just go read the short story in my storyline thread titled “Family Matters” (then the FAQ for it afterwards) Capcom told me they specificly loved this storyline (within my overall story) and plus I’ve also gotten alot of other positive feedback from fans/people that have read it as well.

http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62039

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I’m still not buying the ending excuse, and I was never aware that Guile was the “main” character of SF2.

The ones I listed were all taken from the revival endings. I’m assuming we’re talking about the Super Street Fighter II: Turbo Revival, yes? If so, then all of the endings I listed involve the characters beating Bison.

Ryu - Asks if he is now the world’s strongest fighter, and then states that there must always be stronger warriors for him to seek out. He would not even consider himself the strongest if he had not beaten Bison, and would not have to seek out any stronger fighters if he had not already proven himself against Bison.
Guile - Usual ending of deciding not to kill Bison.
Zangief - Wins the tournament for Mother Russia. Talks about how he’s “defeated the world” with his “mighty strength”. Wouldn’t say this if he had not won the tournament.
Dhalsim - States that he has dealt with “the evil”, meaning Bison.
Cammy - Bison says that he never would have believed he could be “beaten by a mere copy” of himself. The key word there is “beaten”.
Balrog - His ending is left up to interpretation. He says that he knew Bison wasn’t so tough and that now he’s the head of Shadaloo. You can interpret this as Balrog beating Bison and taking over Shadaloo or not. There are enough other discrepancies that his isn’t necessary.
Vega - Claims that he has proven himself the strongest and most beautiful fighter in the world. Would not claim to be the strongest without beating Bison.
Bison - Beats all competitors and rules the world.
Akuma - Master of the fist beats “King of Darkness”.

http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/gba/a/ssf2ryu.htm

If Capcom plans to not do any more retroactive changes, that’s fine with me. But they still have a certain power of fiat. They can reintroduce certain things without having to account for them. Like a new Psycho Drive.

And I still stand by the fact that a Doll/Bison’s soul story could easily be explained in the “few sentences” format.

“Using the newly constructed Psycho Drive to harness the remnants of Bison in each of the Dolls, the Shadaloo scientists were able to reawaken Bison’s consciousness and channel it to his new body.”

In that sentence, you’re told that there is a new Psycho Drive, that there is a connection between Bison’s soul and the Dolls, and that Bison’s soul has been reconstructed and/or freed from Hell. Simple, no more complicated than Bison’s relationship to the Dolls, Cammy, and Rose, and all easily explainable in an “All About” type of book.

And we’ve both agreed that there are ways to explain Bison’s return. Something like the new Psycho Drive would not have to be explained, however. It was built the first time, and it could be built again.

I hate the word “clone”. Neither Cammy or Rose could have been clones of Bison, or they would have looked exactly like him. So obviously, Capcom’s idea of clones is worthless and misleading. As far as connections between souls being complicated, it was done with Rose in SFA, and could easily be done again.

They might not have been able to use it voluntarily, but I was under the impression that Bison used the Psycho Power to bring people under his control. If this is the case, then Psycho Power was still within them, binding them to Bison, and could serve as the connection between their souls.

Haven’t read the story yet, but I will, and I’ll be sure to get back to you.

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Okay, then you still need to explain…

  1. Why was a new Psycho Drive built, ie whats the point, who would want to see him return?

  2. How can the Psycho Drive be powered without Psycho Power, ie Bison was the only one who could use.

  3. Nothing Earth bound can affect the demons produced by the Shun Goku Satsu, aside from Akuma, so thats something you’d need to explain.

  4. Shadowloo has been dead for over a decade in the SF universe, and I dont see one of their scienctests, let alone a group of them trying to bring back Bison, specialy since one they wouldnt have the resources to do it, second they were all most likely imprisioned by Interpol, and if released would be closely watched, and third gain nothing from doing all this.

  5. You have to explain how and/or why The 12 Dolls are back together, since they havent been together for 20 years now (SF timeline) then how they all got back together in the same spot, and dont say cause Shadowloo kidnapped them again, cause Shadowloo dosnt exist anymore.

The canon states otherwise though.

You’re forgetting something though, Bison was the one who built the Psycho Drive which was powered through his Psycho Power, so I doubt anyone but him would be able to make another one, and even if they did they couldnt get it to work.

No.

In the case of Rose when her soul was freed from Bison’s she possesed the soul of a newborn infant, however at that point the good soul apparently had no consence, and no memory of Bison either which is why Rose grew up never knowing Bison or who or what he was, and only finding out about him upon reaching adult hood.

Cammy meanwhile is an actual clone created from Bison’s DNA, and note that Bison’s DNA was manipulated when creating Cammy which is why she is so diffrient then him. Its like if you ever played Meatl Gear Solid, all the main chars in the game were created from the same person’s DNA (Big Boss) yet everyone looked totaly diffrient from one another, because each one’s DNA was altered in diffrient ways.

Yeah, it was done with Rose in the SFA series, and it was cofusing as hell before the All About books were released. Nobody, and I mean nobody understood Roses storyline(s) or origins prior to the release of the All About books.

Note that you said BISON USED IT. Someone being controled by Psycho Power dosnt mean they can use it, specialy since they cant even control themselves, ie its Bison controling them, they have no mind of their own.

Relize that if you want to stick to the canon in terms of a new storyline you can NOT do all the things you want to do. Before I ever knew anything about the canon I wrote a storyline for SF4, then people like Tiamat helped me out by correcting what was wrong with my story in terms of the canon (which was alot) and so I ended up changing alot of stuff, and it ended out working out for the better, and the result from the info created a better storyline.

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The scientists would want to see him return. While he was alive, they were at the top of the criminal underworld. A return of Bison would mean their return to power.

I was under the impression that the Psycho Drive was merely a means of harnessing Psycho Power, and that Psycho Power was merely a form of energy derived from negative energy or feelings.

The Bison that was sent to Hell remains in Hell. This is reconstructing Bison from the remnants of his soul that could have been left in the Dolls when they were controlled by Psycho Power.

It wouldn’t necessarily be Shadaloo, but instead a dedicated group of former Shadaloo scientists trying to rebuild Shadaloo by resurrecting Bison.

While Shadaloo may not exist, the scientists could certainly arrange to have the Dolls located and kidnapped in the hopes of forming a new Shadaloo to rule the criminal underworld.

What exactly does canon dictate? My theory is simply that by occupying the minds and bodies of the Dolls with his Psycho Power, Bison left little footprints of himself that could be used as pieces to the puzzle of reconstructing him.

I always assumed that Bison had his scientists build the Psycho Drive in an effort to harness Psycho Power and increase his own strength. If they built it once for Bison, theoretically they could build it again. They wouldn’t be able to use it themselves, and become powerful, but they would use the machine to power Bison’s resurrection.

Technically speaking, a clone is someone who shares your DNA. Not some of it. All of it. You share DNA with someone else, most likely. If you have blonde hair, then there is a certain configuration in your DNA that allowed you to have blonde hair, and you could conceivably find that same pattern in another. That doesn’t make you clones.

A true clone would have the exact same DNA, all the way down the line. Which would result in a total similarity in appearance. At the instant that you “manipulate” the DNA, you are no longer dealing with the same DNA, and there can be no clones.

Technically, and barring mutation, twins are clones. They share the exact same DNA, all the way through. Bison and Cammy are not twins, so I’m assuming that anytime the word “clone” is used, it’s used in the absolute loosest sense of the word (if there even is such a thing).

This could be prevented by simply doing a better job of explaining the connection in-game. I’m fairly sure that SF fans are intelligent enough to deal with a few twists here and there.

I understand that the Dolls cannot use Psycho Power themselves. But if you’re confirming that Bison used it to take control of them (I’m assuming you are), then you could make the case that when he invaded their bodies with his Psycho Power, he left pieces of himself, especially if Psycho Power was unique to Bison.

I understand that staying with canon will affect my story ideas, and I am willing to mold my story to fit in with the canon. As it is, however, I still believe that a good deal of my ideas could conceivably be presented as in line with canon. Whatever is definitely not (and without any possibility of becoming) canon, I will be more than happy to change.

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No, its fueled by Bison’s power and also gives him power (a weird concept I know)

But we know thats not possible. The Dolls arent like that, their origins, purposes, etc, were all fully explained in the All About books.

Plus if Bison’s soul was already split in half with Rose then 12 other parts as well, Id imagine Bison would be fairly weak or there would be nothing left of his soul after that, also if The Dolls had had some part of Bison’s soul within them, they wouldnt of acted like robots, they would of had some sort of perosnality, or would of acted like Bison.

What you are talking about is EXTREMELY far fetched, and why are you even aurguing over this idea with all the various flaws I’ve pointed out that it has, when you actually have/had an idea that works? You should be focusing on the idea that actually works or could work, rather then one that has a bunch of problems, and dont say because you like this one better, cause then you’re always going to fail since your not opent to interpritation, and what not.

Also what you want is basicly another Bison, not the exact one that was trapped in hell, so if you’re going to do that, you might as well just have a clone of him made, as its easier to understand and could work.

I just couldnt see that happening because of Interpol.

Why kidnapp the orginal dolls when they’re all almost 40 rather then kidnapping anew set girls to turn into dolls?

When Bison died in SFA3 it was stated that all traces him connected through anything living died as well, ie which explains Juli and Juni’s endings in SFA3, so if he died then any “footprints” he left in the dolls would of died as well, and remember that when he died in SFA3 his soul recombined with Rose’s, so if that happend then he would of also recombinned with any other traces of his soul.

Bison didnt physicaly build it himself, rather came up with the blueprints for it. Also nobody else understands how Psycho Power works other then Bison.

[qoute]Technically speaking, a clone is someone who shares your DNA. Not some of it. All of it. You share DNA with someone else, most likely. If you have blonde hair, then there is a certain configuration in your DNA that allowed you to have blonde hair, and you could conceivably find that same pattern in another. That doesn’t make you clones.

A true clone would have the exact same DNA, all the way down the line. Which would result in a total similarity in appearance. At the instant that you “manipulate” the DNA, you are no longer dealing with the same DNA, and there can be no clones.

Technically, and barring mutation, twins are clones. They share the exact same DNA, all the way through. Bison and Cammy are not twins, so I’m assuming that anytime the word “clone” is used, it’s used in the absolute loosest sense of the word (if there even is such a thing).
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Whoever said Cammy was an EXACT clone of Bison? NOBODY. It was ALWAYS stated that Cammy was created through Bison’s DNA.

Also if what you say is true then that would mean all twins would look identical to one another.

Then that would mean he would of left “footprints” in Ken and Ryu as well, as he did it with them, but we know that didnt happen, just like it didnt happen with The Dolls, and if you remember Bison wasnt able to even control the Dolls as in the end of SFA3 they all rose up against him and he wasnt able to do anything about it, which wouldnt make any sense if they still retained some small part of him within themselves.

If your idea was able to perfectly fit the canon with no problems what so ever, then we wouldnt be having this aurguement.

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My whole aim with the Doll angle was to give Bison’s resurrection a darker mood. If his return doesn’t bring any direct harm to anyone, it’s not that spectacular.

But if Bison is resurrected, and his resurrection results in the death of the Dolls, it’s much more dramatic, and lends the feel that Bison has to be killed again, to avenge the deaths he caused. He would be living off of the life he stole from the Dolls, as opposed to just being given a new life.

I understand that my “Upsetting the balance of Hell” angle was much more workable, but as I said, it didn’t bring any costs. Bison is given a get out of jail free card, and that’s the end of the story. I figured that the Doll angle, canon or not, was much more interesting. And I tried to justify its adherence to what is canon.

I’m really not that attached to it, and in the long run, I doubt Capcom gives a damn what storylines I’m able to come up with.

I still like the idea of former Shadaloo scientists attempting to rebuild Shadaloo, whether they’re successful or not. Their experiments don’t even have to result in Bison’s return, but could instead bring us a new character, one that is genetically engineered (and better than 12 or Necro).

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You should read my “Family Matters” story that I directed you to then. Its not long, and is real easy to follow, and the FAQ for it makes it even easier to understand after you’re done reading the story itself if you have any questions.

I myself never thought too much of what I wrote (with the Family Matters story) but alot of people seemed to really love it (including Capcom) and I really never thought it was too spectacular, I mean it has an idea in it (which spawned the story) that I thought was cool, but that was all I ever thought really.

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I didn’t read the last 3 posts, but if Capcom wanted to reintroduce Bison in SF4, all they have to do is say a scientist very loyal to Bison save his DNA and recreated him in an incubation chamber that enhanced his growth time so that he was fully formed in a few years (clone wars style :lol:). This would open a whole new can of worms of whether Bison should have Psycho power or not, however, as Bisons origins are still not discussed, it doesn’t contradict anything (as far as I can recall at this moment).
If Bison has the powers in his genes (like an X-Men say), he could be as powerful as Bison cape. Even more so prehaps.
Basically, it is possible to do anything like this whilst avoiding breaking the canon (not that Capcom hasn’t done that before).

Oh, and in no way was Guile considered the main character of SF2 other than non-canon crap like the Live action film (Van DAMN that movie), and the US cartoon series (which was truely pants). Otherwise Ryu has always been the one that is generally considered the winner in Japan and Europe (seen in unofficial sources such as Tokuma comics, certain animes, books). I also believe I have read this in many other sources such as old SF2 mooks, though I have no references.

Mohammed Ali

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Well here’s the Bison/other evil part of my SF4 idea:

SF4 Roster Revised:
Ryu, Ken, Akuma(unlock), Sagat, Mel, Sakura, Gouken’s daughter(time release), Vega, Balrog, Dudley, Q, Alex, Gill(unlock), Bison(unlock), Cammy, Urien, Necro, Sean, some hulking android that Urien had commissioned(grappler-type with charge projectiles), A Gill loyalist(illusionist, trickster), Illuminati’s top alchemist(unlock, summoning arts/magics), Guy, Ibuki, Batsu, Yun, Yang, Dee Jay, A small punk rock brawler girl with white hair and a hideous amount of strength(Q-level strength).

I envisioned Bison would have had some change in style. No-longer sporting the dictator outfit but it would be somewhat reminescent of it. I want him to look like he was in hell for a few years(and rightfully so). You don’t escape the pits of hell and wear a cap and cape. He should be alittle more “off”, touched by hellfire. I always pictured Bison with his hair reaching almost to his waist.

In my story, Illuminati’s top alchemist(the traitor that was prophesized to kill Gill) made a deal with Bison in which Bison would be ressurrected to exact revenge on those that brought him down. The alchemist would recieve Rose’s psycho power as it is Bison’s refuse. Bison set off to kill Guile, Cammy, etc. and rebuild his organization. The alchemist was being spied on by one of Gill’s agents. The alchemist(who i’ll name Korus) became aware of the agent(i’ll call Taroi) with his new power. Taroi warped away to report to Gill. With the Illuminati now aware of his treason, Korus decided to escape and follow Bison’s wake. Bison accepted Korus into his newly reborn Shadow Law. Knowing Bison would see him as a threat if he knew how strong he really was, Korus kept to himself and played along. Bison was no fool, he knew Korus was running from someone and that he needed to lie low. To lure out his prey Bison announced the World Warriors Tournament 4. Bison has gotten much stronger and due to being touched by hell his aura/soul has altered(Psycho Power is now black). Bison announcing the World Warriors tournament caught the attention of the Illuminati, Korus was sure of it.(cont.)

Gill began to see Shadow Law as the prophesized “new evil” and saught to quell it, even though he failed to prepare the world for it. Gill urged Alex to enter WW4, Alex agreed just because he wanted to fight Ryu again. Gill also rallies various fighters within the Illuminati(Urien, Urien’s android, Necro, Taroi). Bison has Balrog broken out of prison. Vega escapes of his own accord(someone developed the idea of Vega using the Psycho Drive to become more beautiful but instead coming out looking like Marylin(sp?) Manson and I want to run with that). Cammy enters to recapture Vega. Balrog challenges Dudley to a street fight in which Dudley would renounce his title if Balrog wins, Dudley accepts. Dee Jay enters to get back in the limelight, getting rid of his “one hit wonder” status(I want to see him done right). Mel and Batsu enter the tournament and Ken enters to legally kick Mel’s ass. The strong punk rock girl enters because she wants some money.

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Bison’s Psycho Power isnt genetic, its something he learned, and its something his clone would have to learn as well, although I seriously doubt that would be possible, plus Bison’s clone wouldnt have his personality either as that isnt a clonable trait.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Its stated in the All About books that he is the main character, and its been stated by Capcom as well, and I’ve heard it directly from them as well.

What did you think that SF1 & SF3 had main chars but yet SF2 didnt?

I dont know if you’re trying to stick to the canon or whatever, but know that Bison’s soul was trapped in hell, and it being free wouldnt affect his physical appearence as his now free soul would have to possess a new body.

:slight_smile:

I asked Capcom about his origins, and they said they had never intended to reveal Bison’s origins, and the best idea I/we could figure out, was that Bison was once part of The Illuminati, but either left or was banished from the orginzation, due to his plans for wanting to rule the world, and this would explain where Bison was able to obtain his god like powers, as well as a few other things.

That actually sounds abit like one of Capcom’s SF4 storylines, although Bison wasnt in it.

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Taking a cue from Full Metal Alchemist, I add that the alchemist made a lifeless doll that Bison was allowed to possess and warp its appearance to his liking.

I find the idea of 4 possible end bosses in a non-dreammatch fighter interesting. It’d sure keep things from being too linear. Also, the inclusion of some memorable characters(while effectively maintaining continuity) in SF4 would be a wise decision. SF1, 2, and 3 take place on the same planet Earth. Ryu being the only returning SF1-2 character is like Jin being the only returning character in a Tekken game.

Of what I know of the SF canon, I have no intention to go against. I kept the canon in mind when I thought up this idea(the parts of the idea that are actually mine at least).

TAS, has Capcom expressed anything more than a slight interest in making SF4? Are they truly planning on making a SF4 or are they still “thinking” about it?

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You said it yourself, no one knows where Bison got his powers from. They could be genetic/easily learnt because it may be in his blood. Oh, and personality may well be partly inherited. The point I was making is that it is not hard to make a story where Bison comes back. He could even say that Akuma was fighting a clone/dummy of his that took his place instead. Not hard to make it happen if you want.

I don’t recall that ever being in the AAC books. Can someone fully verify where it says that Guile was THE (not just A) main character in SF2. I have heard and read that Ryu was.

I recall reading an interview by Capcom on this subject. They said they wanted to change the main character from Ryu to someone else after SF2 as they were worried about it being too monotomous. They even considered not including Ryu in SF3 all together but then thought better of it. Alex replaced Ryu as the main character for SF3, but it was Ryu in SF1 and SF2.

Mohammed Ali

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The best Capcom could give me was that Psycho Power was one of the 66 secret teachings of The Illuminati.

Also it was stated that Bison LEARNED to use Psycho Power and had a master that TOUGHT him (and two other students) how to use the power, so there’s your proof that it isnt genetic.

No, he was taught to use Psycho Power (canon)

No, a person’s personality is a reflection of their life, its not gentic.

Yes it is, becuase ALOT of factors go into the fact that if his soul can escape from hell, and Akuma dying seems to be the only (Earthly) way thats possible.

  1. A clone/dummy that had Bison’s soul? That makes no sense, since Bison’s soul is officialy stated as being trapped in hell.

  2. Where would Bison of been all this time? What would he have been doing? Why would he be laying low? Why didnt he have anything to Gill/SF3? Why would he let his orginization be destroyed if he was still alive?

No, you cant apparently happen the way you want, or else we wouldnt be having this disscussion.

False.

They wanted to change him from the main char after SF1 NOT SF2.

False.

Capcom NEVER considered putting Ryu (or ANY returning chars in SF3) and the ONLY reason Ryu and Ken showed up in SF3 was due to the fact fans complained/bitched hardcore about it until Capcom was basicly forced to put them in.

False.

How could Alex replace Ryu as the main char if Ryu was never supposed to be in the game. Alex was ALWAYS the main char of SF3.

False.

Capcom has stated that the main character in each SF sequel is ALWAYS diffrient, and is ALWAYS a new original character, and will ALWAYS be that way.

Even when they were telling me about one of the plots for SF4, they were making it sound like Gill would be the main char, but they assured me he wouldnt be and that it would be an all new char.

They said they dont have any plans to release an all new SF game till 2007-2008 to celebrate SF’s 20th Anniversary, and if thats true then that would mean they’d be starting production on the game this year (2005) as it takes at least two years to make a good game/sequel.

Also know that Capcom has ALOT of pre-production stuff for SF4, ie from the last SF game (1998) up till now (2005) various Capcom employess and artists have come up with storylines, concepts, artwork, sketches, etc, etc, all of which Capcom has compiled into a folder a “SF4 Folder” if you will, and whenever Capcom actually starts production on SF4, the folder will be the first thing they dive into as its already got more then enough material to base a game (or several) off.

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There have been studies suggesting a part genetic inheritance of personality (esp. mental illnesses), but that is really going off topic so there’s no point delving into that here.

See, another way the story could work… Akuma dying… :clap:

Capcom could turn and say ‘everyone thought it was Bison that faught Akuma but he decieved them and sent someone genetically enhanced to look like Bison’ hence Bisons alive. Again, my point is that it isn’t impossible to make something up where Bison comes back. Even if it does contradict a few facts, I doubt it would stop Capcom (judging by their past examples).

I’m not writing a fanfic on this but since you asked :rolleyes:
Bison was undercover, waiting for the best time to strike back. He is hiding to avoid Akuma, Ryu, Interpol etc until he gains more power again…

He let one of the other members of the illuminati take over SF tournys whilst he plots.

He let Shadaloo be destroyed to give the illusion that he was truely finished. He actually has control of it still through the organisation.

Storylines aren’t hard to make. If Capcom want Bison in SF4, they will do it. It really isn’t impossible to come up with a story. Another would be that Bison had a twin brother (the other person he trained with) and he sent him to fight Akuma instead :lol:

NO NO NO… There is NO PROOF. There is NO document stating this AT ALL.

That is more or less what I was saying. They weren’t going to put Ryu in, but then thought better of it (due to complaints).

When I said Alex replaced Ryu as the main char I meant that instead of having Ryu as the main char as usual, they had Alex as main char. I know Ryu was originally not planned to be included for SF3, hence he was bound to be replaced FOR SF3. This doesn’t mean I think he was replaced during the making of SF3. Don’t know if I explained that very well but you should be able to understand what I am trying to say

I have NEVER heard this EVER… and quite frankly I don’t think anyone else has. It isn’t mentioned in the plot guide and I don’t recall reading it in the research I have done. Have you got a quote or a source? Oh, and saying someone told you from Capcom won’t suffice.

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Yeah, I already stated that about 10 times already.

Nope.

Capcom stated they will NOT be going back on or changing anything already stated in things like the All About books. That was one of the reasons for doing the books, so they’d have everything the way they want without ever having to go back.

That is EXACTLY what SF2 was.

SFA3 and SF2 didnt happen exactly after one another, there was a few years inbetween and in that time Bison tried to build back up Shadowloo and his power, and whatnot, then invited most of the main cast involved in SFA3 to his tournament to get revenge.

What you’re saying would just be a repeat of SF2, and there’s NO need for that.

Not possible since Bison never knew Akuma, who he was, or that he even existed. Its still possible that he dosnt since he was beaten up very badly before Akuma preformed the Shun Goku Satsu on him.

Why would he be avoiding Ryu? He invited him to the SF2 tournament, and Ryu isnt seeking him, ie Ryu has no problem with Bison.

The Illuminati does NOT like Bison, nor does Bison like them, so that makes no sense.

That makes no sense.

Shadowloo is gone, done deal, the American Goverment and Interpol made sure of that, and if they didnt know Shadowloo survived then the Illuminati would, and Urien stated it had been destroyed, was no more, gone, etc.

You’re not even trying. You’re just sticking to one idea and dont want to change it despite all the holes and problems you have.

For you they are, since you cant seem to come up with one idea that would fit with the canon.

They already know how to bring him back, I’ve talked about it with them, and they have no plans on bringing him back in SF4, at least not as the final boss anyways.

YES THERE IS.

It was exactly what you stated EXCEPT the part about Ryu being the main char in 2 games, he was only the main char in ONE game, and Capcom ALWAYS wanted to keep it that way and ALWAYS wants the main character and final boss in every SF sequel to ALWAYS be diffrient (all new/original characters)

Ryu was NOT the main char of SF2, he had no impact on the storyline nor did he have ANYTHING to do with Bison, look let me spell it out for you…

SF - Main Character/Final Boss

SF1 - Ryu/Sagat
SF2 - Guile/Bison
SF3 - Alex/Gill

In EVERY one the main character and final boss are ALWAYS all new original characers, and Capcom wants to ALWAYS keep it that way, there’s your proof right there.

The above proves it, and me having connections inside and outside of Capcom of Japan proves it as well.

Also I like to see what you say when UDON does the SF2 storyline and has Guile beat Bison in the tournament, although I bet you’ll just say some crap like “oh well the comic isnt canon, or whatever”

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Bison in SF4

I have made two posts as there are 2 issues…

There is no reason why Capcon can’t use the same storyline again if they want. Unlikely but possible. I am not trying to come up with a great storyline for SF4 so its futile to question its originality. I just wanted you to see it is POSSIBLE.

Bison hasn’t been officially linkied to the Illuminati, let alone their relationship. I think what you’re saying makes sense and may be confirmed later, but if Capcom want they can make it that Bison is best buds with them. Again, this is just an idea to make a point. There is no point saying that this is stupid because someone TOLD you something else.

That was my point. By Shadaloo being finished, it would make it seem even more likely that Bison was gone forever. Again, this is just related to my 2 second storyline which is of no concequence to the real issue. BISON CAN COME BACK IF (note the if) CAPCOM WANT.

I’m not the one insisting that it is impossible to make a storyline where Bison comes back, and then contradictng myself.
See the below quote. (Oh, and I’m not even trying, as I have suggested SO many times before.)

THIS is the point I was making. Not that I am a great fanfic writer, but that it IS possible. You’ve now said it yourself, so there is no reason for me to give more possibilities :party:

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Who Won SF2? Ryu or Guile

Well I heard differently. I read that Ryu was main character in SF1 and 2, and that Capcom decided to have a new character as the winner of SF3 to breath new life into SF. However, until either of us have direct quotes from Capcom (from after they stopped changing canon), we will have to agree to disagree. I just don’t like it when people act as though they have proof but can’t deliver.

There’s no need for you to ‘spell it out’ for me. I can understand your point but I disagree with you. You haven’t provided any concrete proof so I distrust your theory. I recon it is Ryu, but as I don’t have the exact quotes from Capcom, I am not forcing my idea down peoples throat like you are.

Ah, if only it were that simple. All you have done is said that Capcom want to keep main chars and bosses different. THAT IS NOT PROOF. Acceptable proof would be CANON DOCUMENTATION. NOTHING ELSE.

:lol: From my observation (and others at SRK), it seems you can’t take points against you very well. I, on the other, don’t mind who is right, as long as there is proof for it. If Udon says they asked Capcom who won and it was Guile, I will simply say ‘finally some proof, we can now stop debating this issue’. :party:
However, if someone such as yourself keeps claiming it is definate that Guile won without any proof to show, then I will question it. Simple.

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Straight from the back of Capcom Fighting Evolution’s box:

“STREET FIGHTER is a trademark of CAPCOM USA, INC. which may be registered in certain jurisdictions.”

Capcom USA has the rights to SF now. It’s up to Capcom USA to use any storylines Capcom of Japan has come up with for SF4. They can very easily get new writers and come up with something else. (Ken Siu-Chong, pleeeease…)

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I just hope this doesn’t have some serious reprecousions on the storyline. e.g. Blanka = Charlie (Carlos) :lol:

But seriously, do you think this will mean that M.Bison will no longer be the same as Mike from SF1 (as well as other things)?

Oh, and will Udon be working with Capcom USA instead of Japan? Erik, we really need you on this one…

Mohammed Ali