Mayoral Moustaches and Violent Hugs - The Ultimate Haggar thread

[Mallrat]

Looks like what I was thinking was true. Bust out the resets fellas.

Yeah, if Haggar can follow up his command grabs with a quick and dirty combo, start learning those backdrop resets. Also seeing how now you can follow up air throws OS Headbutt is getting alot more hilarious to use.

[catbond]

I wonder… cr.H can only cancel into pipe. Pipe can be empty cancelled correct? like it doesn’t need to hit at all in order to be cancel-able ?

here’s what I’m thinking. Cr.H into pipe into any special move (or hyper) fast enough to still catch the opponent off the OTG. for example,
land piledriver> OTG cr. H> Pipe cancel> L violent axe

or OTG> pipe cancel> RFF?

I feel like that just might work. it will probably be tight timing, but I think it could work.

also, I just want an excuse to write “Pipe Cancels” all across this board. c’mon, y’all gotta agree, it has a ring to it XD

It takes a few frames before you can empty cancel :f: + :h:. Based on that, it doesn’t look like we’re going to be able to land anything after the OTG unless we have an assist.

EDIT: Although now that I think about it, we may be able to do :d: + :h: OTG xx :f: + :h: empty canceled into :dp: + or :h: for a reset depending on where it puts them on recovery.

[Macarratti]

^^^yeah, honestly, the way pipe can be empty cancelled makes it feel like a perfect tool for reset bait, but up until now, Haggars reset game was rather weak.

Hopefully, any resets off of piledriver will be just as viable as guaranteed damage off… Any other command grab in the game, if not more.

[metrokard]

It takes a few frames before you can empty cancel :f: + :h:. Based on that, it doesn’t look like we’re going to be able to land anything after the OTG unless we have an assist.

EDIT: Although now that I think about it, we may be able to do :d: + :h: OTG xx :f: + :h: empty canceled into :dp: + or :h: for a reset depending on where it puts them on recovery.

i tried doing that with spencer slant shot assist i dont know how anyone will get out that reset. also no flipping out of rapid fire fist

[Densuo]

For your saved stuff on earlier posts.

Haggar lands giant haggar press, DHC to Taskmaster’s L+H version of Legion Arrows. timing is pretty easy.

Haggar lands RFF, DHC to Chris’ everything but the kitchen sink super before the violent axe.

^^^yeah, honestly, the way pipe can be empty cancelled makes it feel like a perfect tool for reset bait, but up until now, Haggars reset game was rather weak.

Hopefully, any resets off of piledriver will be just as viable as guaranteed damage off… Any other command grab in the game, if not more.

I think what matters is damage PERIOD. I’ll take any damage I can get off a reset with the Mayor of Resets.

[Densuo]

Confirmed: ground pipe hits overhead.

Confirmed: pipe ASSIST hits overhead.

We running this shit. Let’s go.

[REALPLAYER]

EXCELLENT!:badboy: empty cancel, OH ground pipe. Haggar—breaking hearts and breaking backs since 2011. and did i just read that rff can’t be flipped out of?

[metrokard]

it can still be flipped out of… even when spencer has then on the ground from slant shot…plus side is omg the damage close to a million from standard haggar combo with dhc. oh and guys…1 million damage of a pile driver and one dhc.
normal bnb
off piledriver
and a reset

[Mallrat]

Please test level 3 to OTG, please please please

Also see how much damage fully mashed Level 3 does anyways

[Southeasternoil]

Oh wow! So Haggar does actually get some extra hits in RFF mashing, from 30 hits to 45 hits. Maybe someone can check how much damage it does now from 381,000 damage. Hope it isn’t like Dormammu where the damage remained the same despite there being twice more hits.

Thor got his mighty hurricane range buffed. Similar treatment for Mayor of Earth please Capcom?

[branespload]

For all of you guys who play Haggar on point, he pretty much feels the same in Ultimate. Still has his combos, resets, still has difficulty getting in… the OTG does require a bit of work as you guys have noticed, but I’m lazy and put him as anchor sometimes so I just XFC the dropkick into launch.

[Southeasternoil]

Oh wait. Metrokard, were you the one who made those three Haggar videos? Cos in the first video, you/he stopped mashing halfway through his RFF, so he could had gotten up to 60 hits instead of the 45 hits you/he made. With the average of about 50,000 damage increase in mashable hypers with other characters, I’m hoping that Haggar’s RFF now does at least 425,000 damage.

Does Haggar’s RFF comes out faster? It looks like it but I’m not sure.

[catbond]

it can still be flipped out of… even when spencer has then on the ground from slant shot…plus side is omg the damage close to a million from standard haggar combo with dhc. oh and guys…1 million damage of a pile driver and one dhc.
normal bnb
off piledriver
and a reset

I didn’t notice in your videos, after the OTG if you do nothing, do they tech out in the air or does it do a soft knockdown or cause a forced tech?

EDIT: Also thanks for putting up that footage, it’s a great start and gives me a lot of hope for Haggar on point.

[metrokard]

yea i did thouse videos its hard to mash through that whole thing for rapid fire fist, you can otg after level three. the otg it depends what you end it with but if you dont end it with wild swing its hard knock down if you do its a regular knock down i havnt see them flip out of it yet.

[Densuo]

I can put up a video for the rff. Lemme see if I can get a copy now

[catbond]

yea i did thouse videos its hard to mash through that whole thing for rapid fire fist, you can otg after level three. the otg it depends what you end it with but if you dont end it with wild swing its hard knock down if you do its a regular knock down i havnt see them flip out of it yet.

When it’s a regular knockdown do they stand straight up or are they forced to tech backwards?

[REALPLAYER]

damn, raw RFF mashed does 414K. :amazed:

[branespload]

Ok, I don’t know what you guys were saying but ground pipe (f.H) is not an overhead, neither is the assist. Just tested it… How are you getting it to hit overhead?

[catbond]

You wouldn’t think it but Frank cart assist is really good for OTG stuff, even mid-screen. I just need a strong projectile third since I don’t think Wright is gonna cut it.

Ok, I don’t know what you guys were saying but ground pipe (f.H) is not an overhead, neither is the assist. Just tested it… How are you getting it to hit overhead?

You’re right. We’ve been duped!

[Hobobloke]

So just how viable is lariat assist in ultimate? Going off Maximillion’s video it sounds like it isn’t even worth it. If that’s the case I’ll run him on point, thinking Spencer assist for the reset opportunities and not sure who else, I’d like to play Cap but I just don’t think he’d have good synergy. Any suggestions?