Don’t care for Spider-Man Back in Black that much myself. It’s okay. It’s just, predictable. In the end, you knew he wasn’t going to kill Kingpin. And seeing him throw a car at a human being and break someone’s arm for info just made me physically ill. Spidey to me is supposed to be a fun book, you are supposed to at least crack a smile when you read Spidey(Not that there hasn’t been dark moments in the book of course). Even pre-Venom when they tried to make him darker wearing the Black Suit it was more fun then this to me. I dunno, I just don’t like Spidey dark where if Iron Man goes nuts and Hulk beats up on heroes I don’t really care. I get that Spidey’s been through a lot though. Maybe JMS needed to play that up more - unmasking, Iron Man betrayal, getting sued by the Bugle, fired, living on the run, not banging his wife, etc. (It is in between the lines though) But JMS makes it seems like he is just going nuts because Methusala is about to die… again… I mean after she had 5 heart attacks and he already went through the loss of Uncle Ben and Gwen you’d think he’d be better prepared… I’m just saying…
I dunno, to me the story is like Deadpool suddenly becoming dark and brooding if you want a better comparison. Yeah, I know they write Deadpool funnier than Spider-Man for some reason I still don’t understand but oh well. Don’t think Spidey could get away with Deadpool / She-Hulk breaking the fourth wall comedy though, too much history…
Regardless, JMS’ Spidey will prolly go down as one of the greatest arcs in Amazing Spidey History. He’s done some things I like and some things I don’t but oh well, so it goes.
Amazing Spidey has been fire ever since Civil War. Definitely some good stuff coming out of that book since JMS’s very first Spidey stuff. I mean, this is basically what Peter has always been afraid of. And now that it’s come true, it’s Spidey vs. the world.
I wouldn’t really count Iron Fist as a Civil War tie-in. It’s going in it’s own direction and had nothing to do with Civil War outside of the first 2 issues. Oh, and Mighty Avengers has been boring to me so far. I’d go with New Avengers being the best book out of the two. That team is too raw.
haha my thoughts exactly. hey DS did you know that the guy who wrote WW3 is releasing another set of issues that ties into countdown? what am i saying. of course you know. i bet you have them on your pull list already :arazz:
Alex Ross working on Avengers / Invaders. Captain America comes back from the past and is shocked to find out that he is a quitter and died by gunfire. :looney: Lol sounds like fun.
Deathy’s got my back on this one. I got no problem with Spidey breaking someone’s arm and not cracking any jokes as he beats up hoodlums. It’s just a natural response to the stuff that’s been happening to him lately. What’s weird to me is some of the other books where he’s basically just wearing a black suit and acting like normal. That makes even less sense to me than giving Spidey a new attitude.
And yeah, Aunt May’s probably had like a bajillion heart attacks, a few ulcers, a couple of comas, several hundred strokes, and she’s probably drowned at least one or two times. But this is, I think, the first time she’s ever been SHOT.
Haha, I knew that Captain America Alex Ross image was an Invaders thing. I’d recognize Namor’s arm and Bucky’s arm anywhere. The time travel premise into the current Marvel Universe sounds kinda odd, but whatever. It can’t be that bad judging by the writers’ track record. And if it is, I guess I won’t buy it.
Maybe but she already died in 400. Sure it turned out to be a clone but he didn’t know that at the time and he has already dealt with this before. It’s just too much of a stretch for me that he would snap like that. I suppose Spidey deals with death as badly as comic fans and the comic book industry does… :arazz:
No one else is writting Spider-Man that way because that isn’t Spider-Man, not to me anyway. In the other books from Bendis to David he’s prolly buried everything deep down and is dealing with it by telling jokes like always. Eh I guess it’s like Iron Man being symapthetic in his own book and being a big fat jerky jerk everywhere else…
That was a clone? I thought it was a genetically altered actress hired by Norman Osborn to play the role of Aunt May. Like I thought this person was bitten by Aunt May’s radioactive corpse and she BECAME Aunt May just like Raul Julia BECAME M. Bison. #400 was a great comic, and I still have it. DeMatteis wrote it well, but all the silliness that came after was pure, uh, silliness.
Just because it happened in continuity doesn’t mean it actually “happened.” I mean, the only time modern writers reference the time Aunt May almost married Doc Ock, or when they reference the Clone Saga, is when they are making a joke.
So many different people have written Spider-Man over the years that it’s impossible to reconcile all the different things he’s been through and gauge his personality and how he’d react to things. You’ll just go crazy if you think about it. It’s like trying to think of how big the universe is…
God, Ever. I hate you. I hope Rob Liefeld draws the cover to your life story. Oh, and good shit on posting DC news in the Marvel thread. I hope your future kid grows to love the Malibu collected edition. Prime will be his favorite hero. Ever.
But I dunno bottom line for me, Spider-Man should always be fun. When he beat the crap out of Firelord or when he went after Kingpin during Gang War those were fun stories. He can be angry / pissed off and it could be fun too. This time around not so much for me anyway. It’s like “The Other” all over again. I don’t think “One More Day” is gonna be fun either, way too much darkness in Amazing. Bring back that guy that fixes heroes and villain costumes JMS I miss him.
Okay, The Other was pure and utter tripe. Let us never speak of it again. I like to pretend it never happened… Pat Lee drawing Spider-Man… Geez. Those were some dark days.
I’m just going to believe that JMS, who is an awesome writer, had absolutely NOTHING to do with that storyline.
Lol I can never fully hate on JMS after all of those great The Real Ghostbusters cartoon episodes he’s written. Love him repairing Spidey and MJ, (for now…) Spider-Totems and making him a teacher. The dark stuff I don’t care for much. But that’s just me.
But yeah seems like Amazing has to be the event book that has to tie into crossovers and gimmicks while the other books not so much. I know he says that he doesn’t allow anyone to change his words but I wonder sometimes where he starts and editorial begins or vice versa… pretty freaky that he is the only Spidey writer besides Bendis who hasn’t used his Stingers though after The Other. Peter David used them and had Spidey remark how lame they were.
I mean we know Robo Suit Spidey was JQ’s idea and I can’t see One More Day being all JMS, seems like it’s a lot of that marraige that JQ’s been bitching about for years. Back in Black is in many ways a Spider-Man 3 movie tie-in (not in every way of course). Guess we’ll have to wait and see what happens.
Kinda sorta. I consider Spidey the leader, even though Mr. Cage is, since I always wanted to see the webhead as a leader. Wolverine is in WAY too many books. Doc Strange is cool and seeing him again reminds me of Defenders.
Mighty Avengers IMO is like old school Avengers, and that’s kind of what makes it boring. Although the line up has it’s cool characters, it also has lame ones (Wasp? Wonder Man? Black Widow?).
Remember when Aunt May was rocking that Iron Man armor? Pure hilarity.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa…We do NOT insult OG Avengers stuff in this thread. Let’s get that out of the way first, and foremost.
The problem with Mighty Avengers is that life is all peaches and cream for these guys. They aren’t on the side of the rebels. So, you just kinda watch them shoot the shit and tell jokes and then Ultron decides to come back. That’s great. Ultron always equates epic. Each issue involves Aries getting angry and telling women to get back in the kitchen and make him a sandwich(which is PERFECTLY fine, male chauvanism ftw). Then you have the Sentry on that roster and it’s not fun because you KNOW he can end the battle in like, two seconds.
You’re basically buying issue after issue waiting for Ms. Marvel to tell Iron Man to fuck off and goes off to join the New Avengers(a team too gangsta they went to Japan to beat up on the Silver Samurai for kicks). And yeah, Wolverine is in too many books, but he’s money for Marvel. You don’t just throw out a sack of money into the street and let someone else pick it up. No, you keep that shit. New Avengers just has more to do with the ramifications of Civil War than Mighty Avengers. Mighty is good, it just needs to be written better. None of this crap about Ms. Marvel saying crap and then saying something else in a thought balloon.
And NEVER insult the Sorcerer Supreme. Dr. Strange is cool and deserves to be on a team, it’s just the fact that he’s too broken is what makes him a bit too much for the team. He’s to the New Avengers what Sentry is to the Mighty Avengers. So, it’s all balanced out.
And the Mighty Avengers have a cool line-up. None of the characters are lame. You want lame? Go read Avengers vol.3(?) when Kurt Busiek introduced Triathalon. THAT’S lame. And as great as Busiek’s Avengers run was back in the late 90’s/early 00’s, I just didn’t dig the fact that half the Marvel Universe was an Avenger.
I think it’s time I look up some of my TPBs and re-read the Avengers/Defenders War. Sal Buscema’s art is still supreme till this day.
Hang on a second, how does this thread have a four star rating and the DC thread have a five star rating? Taichi is that you?
Marvel stuff I read recently.
New Avengers - Too good
Hulk - He about to beat an annoying person up oh yeah!
Nova - Very cool!
Avengers Transformers 2 - Gotta admit I didn’t like it as much as the first ish. Spidey wasn’t as funny this time.
[spoiler=]Huh? They absorbing energy from Spider-Man? You can get Energon Cubes from people or some crap? Well that’s one for the Radioactice Spider Bite and Zero for the Spider-Totems. And that huge Iron Man suit he busted out at the end was LAME. He needed to come out with something that can transform and I sure hope that corny suit doesn’t transform, what’s he gonna turn into a mail box? Oooh… on the plus side I liked the Autobot holograms they busted out to ride in the first seat like the Decepticons did in the live action movie. I always knew Optimus’ human form was that of an overweight bearded beer guzzling trucker. :looney: [/spoiler]
I wasn’t insulting GA/SA/old Avengers. What I meant is that they didn’t really have to deal with the problems that the New Avengers deal with (except for the alcoholic part and some other little things).
Insult Doc Strange? Why, I’d never! In fact, I’m going to check Best Buy today for the movie.
What? How is Black Widow lame? Lots of great writers over the years have done interesting stuff with her. All those guest appearances in Daredevil, for instance- Matt Murdock wasn’t banging her because she’s hot, he was banging her because she is not lame. And the Richard K. Morgan Black Widow series was a top tier Marvel story that went under way too many people’s radars. Heck, she’s even appeared in Bru’s Captain America lately.
I guess that was pretty funny. It was funny in the way that you laugh at a skateboarder trying to grind on a handrail, wiping out, and eating it on his crotch. You laugh long and hard… But you feel the pain.
I still think Mighty Avengers has good writing. It’s amusing and has a lightness to it that stands in contrast to Bendis’ other Avengers title. The thing I don’t like about Mighty Avengers is the art.
The thing I didn’t like about Busiek’s Avengers run was the style he used to write it. It was extremely Claremontesque. Wordy and overly bombastic. That killed it for me. Even if some of the plots were interesting, like the Ultron Unlimited story, I couldn’t really dig it because the writing style was all the bad things I don’t like about '80s comics. I mean, just compare Busiek’s Avengers stuff to some of his other stuff like Astro City, Shock Rockets, or Secret Identity- it’s hard to believe the same guy wrote those.
Aw, that’s my fault, man. I was rating the threads and my finger slipped.
Doc Strange is cool and seeing him again reminds me of Defenders.