Marvel Comics Thread

Astonishing X-Men felt like the ‘sequel’ to Morrison’s X-Men to me. Then again I only just read a few of the early Morrison stories on X-Men and had read Astonishing a few months ago, but it still is a fucking awesome read.
Too bad about the ending though :confused:
Oh yeah why did Cyke kill Ugly John in E for Extinction? Was Cassnadra Nova taking control of his mind or something?
Oh and Loeb did not kill Sabretooth; if he did it took place in the Loebverses, which do not take place in any known Marvel continuity :3
Oh and I couldn’t get into EVA, saw how emo Shinji was in the first ep. and lost interest in it. THough I would love to see the fight scenes.
I’ll see if I won’t be too lazy to post about what I read this week.

I have to admit something. I have been a cyclops fan since messiah complex. I feel dirty.

reading the first chapter of Messiah War made me realize that I need to stop checking up on the previews Marvel keeps on posting :frowning:

haha ya, dont wanna let on ANY spoilers for that one

Cyclops started being interesting around Morrison’s New X-men. Cheating on Jean telepathically with Emma, getting drunk at the Hellfire Club, etc. Then in Astonishing and Messiah Complex he really grows some balls, verbally owning Xavier, sacrificing himself, showing some actual emotion for the first time ever. Now he’s the head nigga in charge, running black ops team while he’s fucking Emma Frost.

Scott Summers is a cool character. I never thought I’d see the day where I can say that in a non-joking manner.

EDIT: http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4098/cyke1.jpg

Whedon totally sold me on Cyke. Everything he did during the last arc was gold.

“To me, my X-Men. Let’s finish this.”

Goddamn Astonishing was so fantastic.

I hate to double post, but this is totally worth it.

Variant cover to Thor 601 (probably not a spoiler. If it is, then it’s an awesome one)
http://media.comics.ign.com/media/888/888539/img_6596949.html
This book is too good.

Yeah I really LOVED his work on it, hell even Mark Miller acknowledges it XD
I hope Warren Ellis does not get discouraged by the feedback on his run, his first few issues may not have made a lot of sense, but by the time you reread the entire story again it’ll make more sense and be more interesting.

That’s why I’m waiting for the trade on that one. I know it probably won’t come close to AXM’s sheer perfection in collected form, but it should be pretty fun.

I just finished X-Force vol 1 trade and I hereby decree that Clayton Crain never be allowed to draw sequential comics again…
…Without the aid of some serious Brightness/contrast filter.

I agree, I like X-Force but sometimes I can’t tell what the fuck I am seeing on the first read.

I think it’s your fault for even reading that book in the first place. Doesn’t help that everyone in that book wears grey on black.

But I really liked Clayton Crain’s stuff in the first Ghost Rider mini with Garth Ennis. Really…can’t do much better that that, I think that’s my Ghost Rider dream team.

I didn’t read any of his Spider-Man though, but the covers always looked pretty.

Hmm…No.

It’s his fault for not checking his settings and making the artwork print safe.
I mean, it didn’t come out as a trade. Someone had to have seen that it was printing waaaaay too dark and told him about it.
His storytelling is really splotchy too.

Choiback did the next volume and everything that I’ve seen of it is crystal clear.
I don’t even really like Choi.

I loved both of those Ghost Rider books by the Ennis/Crain team. I have no idea what’s going on with Crain’s art on X-Force. Both of the Ghost Rider books were clear and had solid storytelling fundamentals. He’s gotten so much better over the years. Very impressive considering Crain came out of the weakass Top Cow school of art. I still remember that piece of garbage work he did on Tom Judge with Paul Jenkins… That was some watered-down bastard child of a poor third-world country man’s David Finch imitating Michael Turner in Marc Silvestri’s house style. If there’s any reason to hate on Paul Jenkins at all, it’s got to be because he did Tom Judge, not because he set Wolverine’s origin in Victorian-era England.

If X-Force is too dark and muddled, I’m pretty sure it is because that is what the script calls for. Who’s writing that again? Yost/Kyle? Booya.

No script calls for “muddy, unreadable artwork”.
Again, Choiback’s art is perfectly readable.

It’s a combination of bad printing, bad judgment layout wise and pure laziness that he didn’t alter his settings after seeing how dark the first issues printed.
It’s not like he didn’t have the time.

Most computer colorists/artists know that it NEVER prints as well as it’s seen on your computer and a lot of times you have to cross your fingers for the first issue or so, but after that they make the necessary calibrations to compensate for the printers.

Yeah, I really liked his stuff on Ghost Rider, so I can’t speak towards any storytelling problems his art has. I loved everything I’ve seen so far. I even thought that the colours and the lighting in there was specifically awesome, like the renditions he had of Hell, and how I’d never seen a flaming skull head rendered on a page so cool.

I think even having Crain in the first place is a blessing.

Haha, isn’t X-Force supposed to be all like super covert, black on black costumes under black shadows? Maybe the fact that you’ve even seen the characters means that it’s not dark ENOUGH.

Really though, like I said…it’s X-Force. Any misfortune that befalls you while reading this book is your own fault. It’s like walking into a bad part of town at night and getting raped. You could have avoided it! You know there’s no law in X-books - whatever goes goes, they haven’t held any semblance of editorial standards in the X-part of town for decades. They couldn’t even get their shit straight with the biggest X-Men run in years, rushing Igor Kordey into New X-Men to the point where it looked like kindergarten fingerpaints. And then off that, they gave him Cable (Soldier X, sorry). Chris Claremont and Chuck Austen were given free reign on their biggest books - you think they care about quality storytelling over there?

No sympathy! In fact, the more people that complain about crappy books and then continue to buy them with real money are the ones that support crappy books and perpetuate the cycle of crappiness.

Picked up Cable #13 Messiah War #2 today, felt like filler :-/ although admittedly some of the spoilers I read (got to stop doing that) attributed to it.

Who needs sympathy?
I loved the story.
I’ve already ordered the next TPB.

It’s the horribly unnecessarily dark and muddy artwork that was the biggest downside.
Which, as I’ve said, was fixed in the next volume with Sonia and Mike Choi.

Despite whatever obvious bias you have against the books, it’s not actually the reader’s fault when the artist (or any other member of the creative team) fucks up.
I’ll just avoid more Clayton Crain issues without physically seeing the production quality first.

Aside from Greg Land continuing to get work on X-Books I think the line is in better shape than it’s ever been.

agreed.