Marvel Comics Thread

There is no such thing as future 616. 616 only pertains to what happens right now. Every future depicted in Marvel is an Alternate Future / Universe that at some point will become impossible for it to be Marvel’s actual future (either by Marvel or hell by the real world, any future you saw with the Twin Towers you know doesn’t happen…) so they will label it as Different Earth (either in an actual comic or Marvel.com, Marvel Universe books, Exiles, etc) and the whole 9 yards. Galactus as you know him is alive right now in 616 - our time - and can appear in any 616 book if they so choose it.

Every Spider-Man comic you read before still happened, slowly they are explaining things without relating to OMD. It’s been hinted that Aunt May was healed by Mr. Negative by Slott. His identity going back in the bottle, it’s been hinted that Slott already explained how in his Avengers Initiative, issue 7 I think (but there is something going on to the point that no one can figure out who he is, so there is something else we don’t know about in place - could just be Mephisto on that end). He did have Spider-Armor as evidenced by the Scarlet Spiders in Initiative (and again, Slott’s own story in Avengers Initiative 7, well I think it was 7). Harry built Aunt May’s house and he corresponded with Peter for some time that he was alive and his death was faked via Norman and Mysterio. There’s a time gap between OMD and BND. JQ said about a year but I think that’s… too much time? I’m going with 6 months for now, never ask JQ ‘The Marvel Universe is only 7 years old’ those kind of questions LOL! Liz and Harry’s son Normie appeared in the book recently. Spider-Man did team up with Tony Stark, he just doesn’t remember his identity now, no one does. There was an early joke, I think it was an Iron Man comic where he tried to look up Peter Parker’s identity on line or something like that but couldn’t access the page ROFL!

Look at this way, if there was no BND then sooner or later they would just have someone cast a magic spell and make everyone forget his identity anyway. I still wish they could of kept his identity public for a few more years though. Some things like Spidey/Peter and JJJ having it out and Flash accepting both Pete and Spider-Man (he reverted to being a bully at the time due to memory loss) were a long time coming for the cast and crew. Peter David handled these things brilliantly in the pages of Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man.

But yes slowly they are explaining everything without referrencing OMD. Whether that was the original plan or the way they decided to go with things since OMD was recieved poorly we don’t know. So far the only thing OMD got rid of was his marriage, which was really what Marvel wanted to get rid of in the first place. As far as we know Spidey and MJ were living together all of those years, not married. But it’s still not to late for Marvel to go and say Mephisto just made them forget they were married keeping continuity in place, there have been some hints to suggest that too. On paper, they keep saying that they were just ‘living together’ when asked about it but they are not really going to go deeper than that until books that deal with that situation are released.

I’m still not crazy the way Marvel went about all of this. I wish they just based the stories before Spider-Man got married the way the Stan Lee’s comic strip is doing now (I mean there was a 5 year gap - our time - when Mary Jane wasn’t even in ASM). I get that they wanted the book to be in current continuity but so far the only real reference to BND I have seen is Peter working for the ‘DB’ in Avengers / Invaders. Bendis hasn’t touched anything in BND at all. Well maybe it’s for the best for now. I’m sure that will change eventually though, I bet every writer is DYING to get their hands on FREAK ONE OF THE GREATEST SPIDER-MAN VILLAINS EVEEEER!" His tag line is “SHUT THE #$*^% UP!” man that’s some brilliant writing right there… :rolleyes:

Hawkeye / Mockingbird is set to be explained in an upcoming mini. They do reference the times Mockingbird appeared in the afterlife. I’m kind of not interested in the explanation, will just pass on that. Death means nothing in comics lol!

In Dark Reign Norman opened the door and showed them the most powerful man in all of Marvel. BENDIS! He has new origin stories for all of them and they will all be BIBLE / FACT / CANON and there’s nothing they can do about it. :rofl:

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I think not. That would imply that he still fought Morlun and was killed and then regenerated with built-in web capabilities. This is not the case. There are far too many inconsistancies with the comic now.

Try as they might to explain them all, they will only look stupid…again.

Also, if Exiles taught us ANYTHING it’s that anything that isn’t happening “now” is not 616. Unfortunately this is, in and of itself, a huge inconsistancy. All of the non “universe encompasing” events really just can’t have ever happened, or if they could happen they happen in such a small period of time that would itself need explaining. Someone mentioned Astonishing. When the hell did the X-Men go to the Breakworld? What IS the breakworld and why have I never heard of it before Whedon made it up? Sounds very non 616 to me. I’m so close to just forgetting Marvel exists and read solely DC and Manga. At least DC goes out of its way to make sense out of not making sense.

Oh, come on. So you think creators shouldn’t even be allowed to use their imaginations and add to the Marvel universe? What’s the point of that? Should Whedon just have rehashed another Claremont story verbatim? Would it have been better if the Astonishing X-Men just fought the Brood again?

He got the built in web capabilities AKA his organic web shooters prior to his encounter with Morlun during ‘The Other.’ He gained them during Avengers Dissassembled when he was mutated. He had 2 seperate mutations and gained different powers both times. After Morlun he got the Stingers, Organic Webs he already had.

They haven’t explained him going back to web shooters back just yet, but the Morlun stuff still happened. There was a direct BND reference to the Stingers (a character had a power just like it) and in an interview with Marvel directly after that event they said they haven’t explained what happened to the Organic Web shooters and Stingers just yet. Yes it’s annoying how long they are taking to answer these things, but it is coming. When the new ‘marriage’ issue comes out, we will find out for certain if that day was retconned or if they just remember the event differently. If Marvel is smart, they will play it as an ‘either way’ type of thing. But they probably won’t…

Everything still happened except the marriage (possibly). There isn’t anything in BND saying that his encounter with Morlun did not occur. Everything else is getting explained at a snail’s pace…

The first sentence of your last paragraph was the same thing I was explaining with regards to Exiles / 616. Marvel’s been that way for the last 20 years, it’s not something that should annoy you with the current team. How does Wolverine appear in 10 books a month? How does Batman do it over at DC? There are things that are overall tough to explain if you look for anything deeper than ‘Putting them on the cover sells books’ and that has been going on longer than I can remember.

There is a certain ring of truth that always tying books to current continuity can hamper stories. I think a lot of the big events would get in the way of what Whedon was doing, and the same with Millar’s FF run. I may not care for JQ’s vague answer regarding when Whedon’s Astonishing run occurred, but it will suffice for now. To break this down as simply as I can imagine if every single Marvel Team Up story had strong ties to whatever was going on in the Marvel Universe, and it wasn’t just a “Spidey meets Wolverine” or whoever type of story. Just wouldn’t be the same. It’s the same reason why Superman / Batman is ignoring all of the Batman RIP stuff. They can always say said story happens before / after / whenever if they want to.

I just picked up back in black and Brand new day hardcover trades for 40% of plus evolution wolves trades. Since i some how missed Sabertooth getting punked…

Walden books had 40% on there whole stock wish i could have gotten more if only i had more cash =(

you got evolution? enjoy the art. yea. the art.

dark and mighty avengers were pretty good reads. daken still sucks though

Evolution is the one storyline (that never happened) I would suggest thumbing through at the comic store or checking Scans_Daily for unless you’re a big Simone Bianch fan.

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…did anyone else happen to see the Black Panther preview?

What do you expect? Marvel editors suck. They have zero control over their writers unlike DC.

The only continuity you should expect from Marvel is this:

  • No smoking.

  • Bad/Lazy inkers.

  • Slott and Straczynski will shit on Ironman no matter what book they are writing.

I think its just that Marvel has so many ideas that they want to do with there characters that it takes awhile for them to come into continuity with the current status quo.
It was relieving to see that the upcoming Fantastic Four arc is gonna show what the crews been up to prior and during the whole chaos of Secret Invasion and during this Dark Reign.

Catching up on the Joss Wheldon Asthonishing X-Men run, shit is fantastic. It sticks to the X-men formula pretty much, but it does it sooooooo well.

Well do I start to get into Punshier/Daredevil?

Daredevil - Read all of Miller’s run (read it first), then Bendis’ run which thankfully continues directly onto Brubaker’s. Ignore the rest.

Punisher - Everything Ennis wrote. Other than that 2099 is a little bit better than the rest (Doom 2099 and Punisher 2099 were the only readable 2099s), Punisher War Zone with Dixon and JRJR was ok for its time. Punisher Angel aka The Crow rip-off and the rest of the 90s never happened.

Thanks man, I look into that using my…“other” methods.

Hey Sano, do you know anywhere online where I can read a summary of everything post OMD? I refuse to read BND cause I pretty much hate the idea, but I still would like to know what bullshit is going on.

Don’t worry, it’s all been crap since Brand New Day anyway, you’re not missing anything.

But Wikipedia’s generally pretty good for catching up on any essential plot happenings in case you want to jump on.

Someone starts a spoiler thread for every issue in the Marvel section of Newsarama. Read like the first post because it always turns into the whole OMD / BND debate. :rofl:

The Dan Slott written issues aren’t bad when he deals with older characters, particularly New Ways Too Die and the 2 part Molten Man arc. The rest of it isn’t too good IMHO. BND’s start wasn’t bad but they got into a rut very fast. Web shooters jamming, a hell of a lot of recycling old storylines to the point that it’s almost insulting (fake MJ, fake Gwen, a ‘new’ Goblin mystery) and the worst part is when they dropped the ball on Jackpot’s identity.

It’s funny because back when Stan Lee and Ditko were doing Spider-Man, Ditko wanted the Green Goblin to be a new character. Stan said no, he said that you can’t have someone reveal their identity and be a brand new character, it has to be someone in the book. So they made him some guy who was hanging around JJJ’s Millionare Boy’s club, made him Norman’s father and there you go. Some say that this was the rift that made Ditko leave Spider-Man, but no one knows for certain what happened.

So yeah they revealed Jackpot to be someone no one has ever heard of.

Turns out Stan Lee was right… :wasted:

Thunderbolts 128 proves that giving Norman the keys to the kingdom is one of marvel best moves in years. the guy is a bad ass and realy fun to read now

We really should have an “Wanna get into comics? Ask questions and the board will answer! Essential TPBs/HCs inside!” thread so I don’t have to keep spamming this thread with noob questions.

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