Marvel Comics Thread

I just read the newest issue of Mighty Avengers. It wasn’t bad, but it wasn’t particularly good, either. I’d say it falls into the middle of the road category. The art’s promising and I bet it’ll improve as Pham gets into a rhythm. Some of the pages look better than others and it does seem like he’s trying his best to engage the reader with his layouts. I respect that.

The writing was about what I’d expect from Slott. Not as good as his She-Hulk or Thing, but probably better than that Avengers: Initiative nonsense. The plotting is clearly just a lousy excuse to bring together a group of Earth’s Mightiest Heroes to fight a foe that a single hero could not withstand. The stuff that brings them together is pretty '90s-ish, in a Secret Defenders sort of way. Some of the team members seem haphazard, and the transitions between the scenes when they get brought together aren’t very smooth.

The dialogue is mostly serviceable, with a few bits of the humor Slott’s capable of (specifically the scenes with Hercules, Amadeus Cho, and Jarvis) but there’s also a buncha tripe in there. I can’t stand that lame device where characters speak out loud when they are alone just so they can provide needless exposition. Come on, at least use thought balloons or narration captions or something! Speaking of captions, there were a few too many unnecessary “scene setting” captions as well. Very Claremontesque in a non-ironic manner, and basically the sort of thing I’d expect modern comics to have grown out of by this point in time.

And the brief scene where the New Avengers appeared was marred with lousy dialogue as well. The way each character had to say another character’s name (as though the average Mighty Avengers reader wouldn’t know by now) actually made me laugh, and I don’t think that was intended to be humorous.

If Slott were trying to make this book new reader-friendly, why not provide exposition on some of the characters that get recruited to make the team? Like Jocasta, or the Hulk, or even this villain (whom I’m not sure if I am supposed to recognize or not)? Instead we get recaps and flashbacks of how the original Avengers were founded, which really isn’t relevant to the plot of THIS story.

Such flashbacks and recaps would be relevant in explaining the rich history of the Avengers, but I didn’t get the sense that was central to the plotting of this issue. It simply feels like padding, or, if I’m being extremely cynical, it feels like Slott wanted to give a shout-out to the Avengers’ origin so readers would think that this new team somehow echoes the creation of the original (Iron Man, Wasp, Hulk, Thor, Ant-Man). Sure, the new Mighty Avengers sort of does reflect how the original team came together, but only because a shallow plot (complete with cliches explaining why all the other heroes are helpless and can’t get involved) forces this particular team together.

This issue is a mess of lazy storytelling. I suppose if you have a high tolerance for '80s and '90s style superhero comics, you will enjoy this.

Damn, I can’t believe I wrote this much about one issue.

^ I think you’re being too kind.

IMO that was worse than the Initiative. The art looked very 90’s Extreme Studios too (just look at that last page).

Once in a while a comic book makes me think I’m too old to be reading them and this is definitely it. I can’t wait to see more of Dan Slott’s retcons this time roll eyes. He’s the poor retarded man-child’s Peter David (Where the hell is PAD anyway?). I’ll just stick to the Bendis titles.

Still writing X-Factor last I checked. Dark Tower as well I believe.

Next time I will just stick to writing one sentence: “This comic sucked.”

Dan Slott = the new Peter Milligan

…at least Milligan had his Vertigo stuff.

Bub, you’ve crossed the line. Peter Milligan is a comics genius. GENIUS.

As far as I can recall, Slott’s written about two decent series: She-Hulk and The Thing. And while those were fun reads, they aren’t essential. (He also wrote some Ren & Stimpy back in the day, but I’m too lazy to reread my old TRADE, BABY to find out if I still like it as much as I did when I was ten.)

You know how they call Ellis “The Internet Jesus” and Morrison “The God of All Comics?” Milligan’s so amazing that people are still trying to think of a nickname worthy of his twisted genius.

Milligan’s bibliography is like a hitlist of Comics You Have to Read Before You Die. Sure, he’s got his Venom/Carnage/Toxin bullshit and unimpressive (by his standards) X-Men… But look, even Alan Moore wrote a few issues of Spawn. Sometimes people just gotta do something to pay rent, or maybe some editor coerced them into writing something they have no interest in, or maybe they signed a contract they shouldn’t have signed during their last trip to Acid Town. The point is, I am such a fanatic that I am willing to overlook these lesser works and invent excuses to justify their existence in my mind.

Shengy, I’m personally offended that you could think to compare Dan Slott to Milligan. You trying to make me cry or something?

Stan Lee Media sues Stan the Man and the House of Ideas over movie profits and other proceeds.

How are you gonna get sued by your own company that’s named after you wha… You can get sued for anything in the United States I swear.

Milligan - I loved X-Statix, his Dead Girl and Doop minis. I can take or leave Toxin and his X-Men run was okay at best but nothing spectacular. I think he’s better doing stuff like X-Statix as opposed to messing with Marvel’s regular titles/characters. Give him Howard The Duck, Spider-Ham or something like that and he could probably go to town lol!

Mighty Avengers - Didn’t bother with Slott’s Mighty, because he’s dealing with ‘classic’ Avengers? I can honestly say that I never cared that much about the Avengers before Bendis came along. Seriously before Bendis, Marvel was all about the X-Men…

Some may hate it, but the idea of making Avengers like the JLA and including major Marvel players like Spider-Man and Wolverine was a stroke of genius IMHO. Put my two favorite Marvel characters in the same book, make sure it’s not written or drawn horribly = Sano buys.

Dark Avengers was a lot of fun. I’ll hang in there for a while to see where things go. I just hope Bendis can keep the book interesting for more than a few issues.

Putting Spiderman, Wolverine and Captain America on the front of books is Marvels oldest trick. They sell comics because people love them. Guilty as charged.

Dark Avengers has a lot of potential to be great. I don’t know if that’s all on Bendis, though. There are other writers that need to support the whole Dark Reign saga for things to be truly great.

So, I just watched Hulk Vs Wolverine and man is it good.
Any fan of Deadpool needs to see this, he’s freakin’ hilarious.

Lots of action and violence, some swearing and a couple questionable scenes with Deathstrike’s…enjoyment when it comes to stabbing.

Gonna watch Thor next.

Yeah picking it up later today. :tup:

So it was actually good? What marvel line does it follow?

Yeah, it was quite entertaining.
A lot more bloody than I expected it to be.

It’s pretty much it’s own line. No relation to any of the other DVD movies.

Whoa, you have like the same amount of posts as me.

Same thing for me. The animation is solid, the music is awesome, the voice acting is great(I’m soooo glad Steve Blum is Wolverine, he was great in Marvel Ultimate Alliance), and its actually really violent(PG-13 FTW!). Its not perfect though: who was that one guy who showed up for a couple of scenes and just looked angry? Served no point to the story. The Weapon X flashback was cool, but it wasn’t very smooth. Also, they left the ending pretty open, for better or worse. Still, it was pretty awesome.

I loved She-Hulk. I’m not granting Slott a pass on The Thing because it’s the lovable Thing and every solo book of that orange guy has been a fun read. Slott has been pretty dissappointing lately. He seems adamant in pushing his fictional man-crush Hank Pym to the foreground though. I wonder if he’s gonna create a proxy female character of himself and have sex with Hank (maybe Jocasta is already that) a-la Bendis with Luke Cage. Just one more disturbing reason not to continue reading Mighty Avengers.

Regarding Milligan, I LOVED X-StatiX and I LOVED his old DC stuff. I have no idea what the hell happened to Milligan after that. I have worshipped at an altar of a FALSE GOD!!

Was there even an editor that oversaw his run on X-men? Sano’s probably right that he’s better off in an off-beat title like Howard the Duck. I thought Marvel was giving this guy a series? or at least a mini? after that Civil War one-shot appearance. Hell, they gave Alpha Flight that abortion of a mini-series why can’t Howard the Duck have one? Marvel could use a (deliberately) comedic title now.

I thought Hulk Vs. was really good. At some parts it was rough around the edges - like Sabretooth and Lady Deathstrike had HORRIBLE designs, they couldn’t decide if Deathstrike was a toothpick or had an actual body WAH… Deadpool was funny though, not as funny as the comics but really close. He even almost broke the fourth wall when he talked about the Professor and Sabretooth, that part made me lol! :rofl:

LOL at Yost giving his own character X-23 a nod. :rofl:

I liked the Thor one better than the Wolverine one. That style and music seemed to fit better to me for Thor than it did for Wolverine. Was not happy about Enchantress going by her real name Amora, and not really… trying to ‘enchant / seduce’ anybody, almost to the point that I wish she wasn’t even in it. But it’s a minor gripe I guess.

The voice acting was really good overall. Wasn’t crazy about Sabretooth’s voice since I’m used to his 90s one. Steve Blum sounds enough like 90s Wolverine to me so that’s cool.

All and all DC Animation has nothing to worry about and Greg Weisman shouldn’t lose any sleep thinking he will lose his job on Spectacular Spider-Man ROFL but this was waaaaay better than straight to video Ultimate Avengers 1 and 2, Avengers Next, Doctor Strange and Iron Man. Go check it out and support Deadpool! :tup:

Marvel > DC comics
DC >>>> Marvel for animation(although I do love Spectacular Spider-man)

Oh hey another place to keep track of BND without reading the book is Spider-Man Crawl space. They even offer podcast reviews of the issues if you just want to listen on the go. And overall lots of excellent podcast interviews with Pad, Tom Defalco, Ron Frenz, so many others. Stan Lee’s comic strip is up there too.

http://www.spidermancrawlspace.com/wordpress/

He’s written some good stuff recently. It’s all just under-the-radar. He wrote Infinity Inc. for DC until that got canceled. I’ve been tracking down the entire run in quarter bins across North America. It’s enjoyable, and it’s certainly the only DC book I’ve had any interest in since all that Crisis bullshit began. Not his nearly his finest work, no, but nothing to make me say, “Wow, is this the same guy who wrote Venom/Carnage/Toxin?” (It also helps that, at 25 cents per issue, I feel like I am getting my money’s worth.)

He also wrote The Programme for WildStorm, and that’s excellent. Last month he had a Moon Knight Christmas one-shot. He’s currently writing a Marvel Knights Namor miniseries. (I’m waiting for the TRADE, BABY on that one.) He’s gonna write Hellblazer beginning with issue 251.

I’m the biggest Milligan fanatic I’ve ever encountered. He’s written so many SEMINAL (“seminal” means “born of the semen”) works that he has lifetime diplomatic immunity. I’ve read a good majority of everything he’s ever written (and is still in print, or otherwise realistically obtainable) including his pre-DC stuff for 2000AD and other smaller publishers. Believe me when I say that he’s written more good comics than most casual, non-elitist, Nazi rat bastard, yammering pinko slinty-eyed chinky Canadian readers will ever give him credit for!!!11 SO TAKE THAT

I think editors ruined his X-Men run. Milligan was obviously trying to play with some more offbeat elements and he tried to experiment a bit, but it’s clear that the editors reined him in. The result was simply a failed experiment that didn’t go far enough in either direction (experimental nor traditional). It’s still an interesting, readable experiment, but it’s not necessarily a good X-Men run.

Also, Howard the Duck did receive his own mini-series after that Civil War one-shot. It was, I think, four issues long and it was by Ty Templeton. I was only able to find the first issue in a quarter bin, but I enjoyed it. I have a positive view of Templeton’s work so I have confidence that the rest of the series will be worth 75 more cents. (Would probably be cheaper if I lived in Canada.)

And really, you didn’t like that last Alpha Flight mini? Or was it Omega Flight. I can’t keep track. I wonder what Clinty thinks of your disparaging remarks about Canada’s preeminent superhero team, and thus, by extension, Beta Ray Bill.