You know the guides I make are 100% my work. I felt insulted after Maj straight up bashed EH and said all the work was stolen. I did the Guy guide from scratch (have most of it done on word, but still fixing some things up) and the Vega guide (only thing i borrowed was the safe jump guide, but I credited him for what he did. I could have did the safe jump guide from scratch but I felt that the guy deserved credit for everything he found and for doing it before me). It just baffles me why a guy like him would actually outburst like this. It clearly could have been resolved easily if he had actually just sent a message to Catalyst and asked him to stop posting his videos, but im pretty sure tons of other sites post his video so I don’t understand why he’s targeting EH when so many others do the same. Also if he really didn’t want someone to embed his video it is possible to disable the ability for others to do so.
… in your world view. Go investigate the logistics of googlenews vs the economics of the news sites being scraped from.
I’ve been working in and alongside online media professionally for the past ever (friends in hubs, production, search engines, consumption, licensing, you name it). I respect where you’re coming from and understand the novice point of view(er), but I’m coming from the perspective of content providers. The audience is limitless and boring because they want everything fast cheap and easy. The producers/providers are way more interesting because that’s your long term vitality/viability.
All you’re saying is that the current cannibalization is cool to you. I totally agree, but that’s totally orthogonal to any meaningful discussion.
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That’s why we have copyright: the ““hub”” can showcase its own work and link to mine. :tup: People producing creative works, whatever the sort, should have some sort of legitimate means of protecting that investment to whatever ends. But, as Dan Simmons put it, “Copyright doesn’t mean shit when you’re dealing with silicon.”
No you wouldn’t. Goddamn: youtube has been on the Internet for what five years now and you think it DEFINES the internet? It’s just an amazing way for people to abdicate and bypass copyright. Quiet sleazy enjoyable evil is still evil. Perhaps you weren’t here for the earlier video eras: I would actually argue that it was generally easier to find better quality content then, but that’s neither here nor there. GFB hub ftw.
As a site owner, and I mean this politely: fuck off. Some of us don’t care. That’s our right. I could get 1505050505050 hits by putting up ZZZ on youtube, but I don’t want to. That’s my right. :tup:
Just because something happens doesn’t mean it’s right. Nor ethical. Nor sustainable.
This is kind of a tangent, though.
I would think that featuring the works of people like Maj and Magnetro and others of that ilk would be an honour and I’d want to do what I could to help build that up.
Unless it is resolved well enough, keeping the things the way they are is a compromise to the community. With fighting games being one of the more hardcore enthusiasts genre, I’d figure those who seek out knowledge and info will do so with dedication and respect rather than click on an aggregate and don’t follow the credit trail of the information they receive.
Not to be a self destructive dick, this might come off as me saying I’d rather have only a dozen hardcore people keeping the scene alive in obscurity rather than have millions of scrubs invest in and make it thrive beyond wildest imaginations as a result of EH, but it isn’t. I think a lot of people are salty because they’ve been around for so long not only as fans, but involved in keeping the scene alive long after it should have been dead; only to have someone waltz in with minimal involvement and take the credit. No one wants to feel that they’ve been keeping a seat warm for someone else to enjoy.
Don’t reply to Acrbic. The mans the defenition of lazy. “Not worth voting for legalizing weed cuz the Fed will shut it down.” “I dont wanna click on a link that opens a new window in order to check out where the content really came from. I want it spoon fed to me.”
The dude puts a put a lot of effort into being lazy as hell.
This, plus EH posts everything while SRK might miss a minor thing here or there. EH is also usually pretty quick with their updates. So if you want all the Capcom fighter news as soon as it happens, EH is the best for that.
One thing I really didn’t like is how hard EH pushed the “6 new characters in AE” rumor. EH brought it up in almost every other post - so while Capcom promised nobody anything, people started to expect 6 new characters, and went wild with their wish lists. Now we have 2 confirmed and 2 maybe’s, and people are angry at getting shafted on characters. That’s not really a good style of reporting.
I am going to echo this statement. In the past, both SRK and IPlayWinner asked BEFORE they posted my content from my site on to theirs, and I have always said yes. It even got to the point where I told Haunts and IPW to stop asking, that they can repost my content when they want. Eventhubs has NEVER contacted me whenever they used my content, not once. They just took it, and honestly I wouldn’t have known about it if people didn’t tell me. It should be common courtesy to ask before you take or do something, but unfortunately that does not seem to be the case in the land of zero second news, and it’s a damn shame. Honest to god, if they had actually had the smarts to ask me before posting my stuff, I wouldn’t have a problem with that site.
Again, welcome to the internet. Content means fuck all, it’s worthless in and of itself no matter how good it is. Now organized and centralized content is great, doesn’t matter the quality of the content as long as the hub is good. And your content owns it’s views to interest hubs.
This has always been and always will be the case. Crying about it now is just silly and stupid. You can line up with the major newspapers bitching about bloggers and lose just as badly and look just as silly. A hub of information is always a better product and more informative one than a specific source, has been since the 90s.
Nobody want’s to have to get directed to multiple sites for news and information, and it’s outright insulting to the consumer to do it. People want a one stop shop that updates constantly, if you aren’t that, you are failing at internet marketing and should die off.
If you want to make money, become a hub and control information, bitching about stolen content with no direct links places you with the fools ranting about youtube.
If you are a hub of info, and you make more money/get more hits for doing less work than the people who actually put together the info…then the people who put together the info aren’t gonna want to do that, and suddenly your hub has nothing to produce. Everyone loses.
I love how your all about giving up and just living with the problem no matter how wrong it is instead of fixing it Acerbic. You’re like the defenition of total bitch.
Who’s saying it’s a problem? That’s how it is, deal with it or fucking give up on the internets. You won’t be missed and some other content provided will take your place.
It’s actually a GOOD thing since it makes information easier and faster to get for the information consumer, that’s life!
Ranting against event hubs for this is no more silly than ranting against google or youtube. So unless you want both of those removed or full of redirects and are willing to call them thieves you’re engaging in hypocrisy at best.
Kinda. Your product is only bought because it’s at Walmart, if it wasn’t you might as well not make it, that’s how it works. People went to Walmart because it’s a one stop shop, your personal product means fuck all, if it was good enough they’d bother to drive out to your store to get it, if they aren’t, your product isn’t worth it, you failed. People go to Walmart because it is Walmart, your product happens to be consumed there, ranting about it doesn’t change these facts.
Distribution is more important than content production, always has been, always will be. You don’t agree, join the club and somebody else will produce content and you’ll be a relic of the past, welcome to the internet.
"Also, since I can?t seem to edit this and sorry to double post, but this thing SHOULDN?T be used to split the community. There?s no need for this Team EH vs Team SRK bs. Cuz if things keep going, we?ll end up sounding like the Twilight girls on the commercials. I don?t think any community can get lower than that.
The fact that not only do you not think this is a problem but don’t see how Wal-Mart ruins COMMUNITIES and how this correlates to the discussion at hand is proof that your mind numbiongly, painfully stupid. It’s also hilarious how you dont give a shit about a quality product only that you can attain it easily. Like i said. Lazy mother fucker.
There’s a major difference between a site like eventhubs and a site like YouTube. YouTube offers to host the vids for you under a registered account. Are they profiting from ad revenue? Yes. But at the same time any vid you upload gets credited to you just from your username being shown when someone views it.
That’s not the same as what eventhubs is being accused of (never been there, didn’t know about it until now). The accusation is they’re posting content from other people without crediting the author(s) of that content. Imagine if YouTube plastered it’s name over every video that was uploaded without saying who uploaded it. Then you could make that comparison.
Which is false (the part about eventhubs not crediting, not saying you accuse them… just using your post a reference). People can just go in eventhubs right now and see for themselves.
Maj needs to consider the youtube partnership program or a blip.tv account with ads instead of just trying to make revenue off of the ads on his site… that way if someone viewed the video from raywilliamjohnsonhubs he would still get paid.
It seems like he feels there is a lack of appreciation even though he won like an evo life time achievement award though… what else does he want.
I’ve created similar content myself but at a much more basic level however my highest views that i’ve gotten on a combo video has been about 50,000 i believe. Even though it didn’t cost me much to produce the videos i made other than the expense of a capture device not to mention a computer, and have been a moderator on various websites for several years, and have written guides and such that show up on different sites, made animated gifs that people still use today for avatars, etc etc…I have yet to see a dime from my efforts as well. You don’t see me up in arms about it though. It is a thankless job and he’s been around enough to know this. There is no need to be a drama queen about it, especially if you are to chastise others for being the same way about not receiving recognition.
A better analogy would be Walmart telling the people that produce their products that not only are they not going to pay them, but take money away from them if they sell their products. People like Maj don’t mind working for free just to help the community, but he is actually losing money because eventhubs posts his content so I definitely understand his point.
I think the sport news analogy someone made a few posts back would be spot on, if anything Blizzard is who we should be watching for ideas on content distribution models, although I guess it’ll be heat death on hell before Capcom steps in on this stuff, so I guess it’s up to content producers to regulate this.
Also, about the who should contact whom (publisher asking producer for permission / producer demanding credit from publisher) discussion: while on a personal level I understand and connect with the sentiment that the distributor should hold a higher ethic standard, this is most certainly not how it works in regular businesses, at least from my experiences on graphic design. You have to be on your toes on protecting your work, getting copyrights before anyone can get his hands on it.
I’m not saying this is right in any way but to me it looks as a bit of a tall order to expect some sort of revolution on how this stuff is handled from a niche gaming news website.
So you don’t think the death of traditional newspapers is a problem? I agree they need to figure out a new business model, but to say that its no big deal if the new york times dies tomorrow and gets replaced by amateur bloggers is a stretch at best.
Other than that, I agree that change happens, like it or not. Its also inevitable, and fighting it accomplishes nothing. History is filled with examples of this. The greedy music industry stuck to their old shitty business model and got screwed, and lashed out by suing old ladies for millions of dollars and installing spyware on peoples computers. Or using DRM, which of course doesn’t stop piracy whatsoever but only screws over customers who legitimately paid for their music. Meanwhile companies like Apple are coming out with viable solutions such as itunes.
I think in this situation the best answer is some kind of revenue sharing model:
exactly. i play starcraft a lot (a lot more than fighting games anyway), and day9 produces a shit ton of good content that has a fuck ton of views and which is linked to everywhere, and he has a blip.tv account. everybody wins.
