I’m loving the crouching Fierce, it really helped once i got used to using it. Skull diver into ultra is really cool too. Definatly a better character now, but as someone else has mentioned due to the other characters changes its the wild west right now.
About Chun’s super… not from every range. Scissors ranges from -1 to +2 now
Things I love about USF4 Bison:
Cr.HP. It seems the 2f reduction was just about right. Any slower and I would’ve been eating lots of air attacks.
EX Scissors through stuff and shit. Rose was feeling so pumped up with those flying stuff around her. Poor Rose.
Headpress 2f reduction. Seems about the ideal speedup too. Hitting people on the way up is delicious. It seems that, despite not being mentioned, this buff is also valid for EX Headpress, not only LK/MK/HK.
Thing I don’t care:
Teleport nerf
Scissors -1
Nerfs I disliked:
Damage nerfs. USF4 Bison is supposed to deal damage. These being nerfed just doesn’t make sense.
Things I love about USF4
Makoto’s U2 nerf
Makoto’s Axe Kick nerf
Being able to DWU Akuma
So long as we can teleport to the air, like in the Marvel games, lol.
I’m not sure how I’d feel about a teleport like this, where Bison would not only go behind you, but he would also travel a lot of distance. I feel like between worrying about EX-Psycho, EX-headstomp/devils reverse, and teleport (well, people used to worry about it) having to worry about what direction the teleport would be going in would be too much. I’d just rather they make the teleport the way it was before - if you see it coming then you get an easy punish, but it can still be used as a surprise or for positioning in the mid-game
I find it is easier to do s.hp, s.mp SK/PC for a four/three hit, rather than adding the s.lk after the s.hp. the damage is 307 and way easier to link than the s.lk.
I haven’t been able to link s.mp after a s.hp after a j.hp. don’t know why, but haven’t been able to get it to work. (edit I know why I had counter hit turned on lol)
At this point I am looking for the easiest combos that do the most damage. We need to maximize Bison’s damage output.
How do you link Ultra after skull diver?
Edit: with respect to the teleport, I wouldn’t mind it being back as it was either, but I think they changed it cause of scrub complaints. I am just trying to think of a way that makes it punishable if you guess while not being scrub abusable.
I want to second the damage nerf thing. Ultra bison is supposed to deal more damage, and although technically he does have more opportunities to do damage than he did before, he still has the same output he did before.
They need to buff the s.mp back to the damage it was and call it a day.
EX Psycho is something that hits the enemy a lot. Nerfing its damage = nerfing Bison overall damage.
Frame trap setup: close st.hp, cr.lk, M scissor (216dmg & its character specific…ie. does not work on Guile!? needs further testing with this please help)…side note…its seems there is not much reason to use psycho crusher in combos anymore since scissor and psycho are same dmg output in combos…(psycho crusher is a good ender during floats though…ie. hell attack combos or far st.mp). j.hp can link into Ultra 1 now, it just needs to hit opponents torso area and rather deep, if the j.hp hits opponents head area Ultra 1 doesnt like to connect. I have posted about Bison’s combos in the combo thread…please check there!!! Skull diver linking to Ultra? You probably have to do the EX version? Let me know if any of this info needs to be corrected, thanks
That’s a good point, and why the s.mp being reverted to proper damage is not a bad idea.
Ive been testing: cl.hp does not combo into s.mp…must be character specific?? An interesting setup from it can be cl.hp, hold back, whiff the s.lk, and get the far s.mp to either hit/block and lead into scissor…this idea will help punish people that like to retaliate after whiffing the lk because far s.mp has high priority now and links nicely to a H scissor if it hits.
The s.mp after the cl.hp was to be on counter hit. the s.lk is so damn hard to link its almost not worth it.
I’ll try the lk setup.
After some hours, I’m quite satisfied about new Bison
- cr.hp is so damn good now, 10 frames seems slow for an AA but the way bison reduces his hitbox make it good. His new best AA for me, even if sometimes it trades
You can now punish move you got hit before like Elbow’s Guy. Yesterday I was so happy to punish this stupid godlike move with CH moreover ! 145 dmg ! - EX KneePress full invincibility is awesome, people got surprise all the times.
- J.HP/HK > U1, finally but you have to hit deep.
- Hell Attack > HP PC : around 200 damage =)
- KneePress -1 is quite disappointed. You can’t pressure for free now :(, I got CH many times
- About teleport nerf, I don’t know yet if you can still punish wake up LP DP
- far.mp with 1 frame link and 70 dmg (instead of 90) doesn’t worth it for casual player like me
- EX DevilReverse is faster but still to slow to suprise people.
Btw, EX PC and EX KP can be grab by Hugo U2 (anti-air version), how can this be possible ? I thought PC or KP was a ground attack.
Maybe against mid-low level players, but not on players who know how to bait it. EX PC should NEVER hit you, except when you’re going for a throw, or you’re making a mistake. That nerf was to make Bison less scrub friendly, but at decent levels, it makes no difference whatsoever
I like knee press being -1 for now. Lots of people seem to think they can punish after knee press resulting in plenty of baits/mind games.
Chun super is 2 frame…She can’t punish LK scissor (-1)
They did add a hurt box for sonic boom startup to counter hit right?
Wrong, it’s one of the best frametraps in the game.
Don’t cr.lk into scissors. Hitconfirm Scissors and you’ll see you’ll always land outside Cr.LK’s range, which will force both players to rely on their footsies tools instead of faster poke and usually Bison wins in this game.
I was being sarcastic about the Chun thing, since I saw that comment 9 million times. I forgot to add the Kappa.
What do you guys think about Poison match up ? At best 6-4 for Poison