M.bison USF4 , any Rumors of buff/nerf changes?

[stabicron]

Please, for those who are going to post opinions on changes. Do not take the S.MP changes as weak ones. Bison didn’t get what he needed and could be moving downwards in tiers, but his S.MP is definetely an excellent change.

Cr.LP -> CloseLP -> FarMP > Scissors HK
Cr.MP -> Far MP as poke
Cr.MP -> Far MP -> Scissors HK
Close HP Counter hit -> Far MP -> Scissors HK
Far MP -> Scissors HK as punish against unsafe moves.

these new combos increase Bison’s damage output greatly.

I dunno about greatly and unsure how close you’d have to be to combo cr.mp to far.mp. Cr.mp has a fair amount of pushback oh hit.

Tbh that change is one of the only ones I really like. The other being cr.HP getting a little faster still slow as hell but I’ll take it. The rest is meh or I would have to see it.

[Spada]

Nooooo !! Not the scissors kick T^T. Now alot of the characters have -1 special with better tools,damage,mix-up and comebacks than Bison. Bison now has nothing special that is worth while compared with the rest of cast. Seriously no hitbox improvement ? no improvement whatsoever to his near useless moves such as devils reverse and skull diver ? not even stun improvement to PC to make it 200 stun for all variation of PC ? He does not have anything to fear right now (not like he was scary before). What defines his gameplay style now ? Poke and set on the lead ?
I may be overreacting and things becomes better than it seems… But seen what some of the other characters has got, things doesn’t seem too good for Bison :"(

[Spiral0Architect]

So about that new main character I was reluctant to switch to… Any suggestions?

Rog, Rose (god damn she’s going to be good with those damage buffs).

[ShadolooDoll]

I, for one welcome our new Rose overlord.

For all your Bison needs, go play him in SfxT. You even get to dominate the air with an amazing Hell Attack!

[stabicron]

I still dunno about amazing even in that game. Losing to j.hk’s from at least one common character in a game where most characters have something that straight up crushes air attacks from the ground or is fully invul. Lack of an overhead really hurts in that game too where just about everyone has one… except Bison.

Better than SF4 by a lot yes I admit would be more accurate imo

[Duaie]

People at Capcom seem to see something very strong in Bison that we don’t. Meh

[TheBirdLives]

Pissed off man. That -1 at the top there is a real fucking bad move on Capcom’s part. Bison’s slipping down the tier list if that stays final for sure. What the fuck was wrong with keeping it neutral?

I know there’s always salt after these things are announced and there’s a million lab hours to see what we can come up with yet but I’m pissed right off that we’ve (probably) lost our aggressive pressure game.

[stabicron]

Pissed off man. That -1 at the top there is a real fucking bad move on Capcom’s part. Bison’s slipping down the tier list if that stays final for sure. What the fuck was wrong with keeping it neutral?

I know there’s always salt after these things are announced and there’s a million lab hours to see what we can come up with yet but I’m pissed right off that we’ve (probably) lost our aggressive pressure game.

Bison had one?

Ok he sort of did but not a good one at all

[Gumpool]

I guess his psycho powers knew their limit

[Yannick]

This clearly has to be for storyline reasons.

Ultra SF4 explains why SF4 is the bridge between SF2 and SF3…and why Bison is nowhere to be found in SF3.

[TheBirdLives]

Also: This now means Red Focus absorbs it and anyone with a 3 frame startup short or jab screws us inside poking range. Bad, bad news.

I’m sticking with Bison cos I have mained him since God was a boy but I can see myself having to work much harder for wins now.

I like the St MP special cancel but I don’t think it makes up for the -1.

[ShadolooDoll]

I like the St MP special cancel but I don’t think it makes up for the -1.

It most certainly doesn’t. Paltry consolation prize.

[Rioting_Soul]

Man, I just don’t know anymore.

[ShadolooDoll]

I am amazed Capcom found a way to make this boring arse character even more dull to play.

I’m sick of looking at him. Can’t they just remove him all together from the game and be done with it?

._.

[ShadolooDoll]

I still dunno about amazing even in that game. Losing to j.hk’s from at least one common character in a game where most characters have something that straight up crushes air attacks from the ground or is fully invul. Lack of an overhead really hurts in that game too where just about everyone has one… except Bison.

Better than SF4 by a lot yes I admit would be more accurate imo

Yeah that game is pretty trash now too- and as you said it’s a safe 50/50 overhead clusterfuckstorm of Hworoang, Nina, Mishima these days. At least you can have a partner with an overhead (That’s not Juri, clearly) to help mitigate this a bit for Bison. And he’s still better than SSF4 Bison.

[stabicron]

Yeah that game is pretty trash now too- and as you said it’s a safe 50/50 overhead clusterfuckstorm of Hworoang, Nina, Mishima these days. At least you can have a partner with an overhead (That’s not Juri, clearly) to help mitigate this a bit for Bison. And he’s still better than SSF4 Bison.

I have absolute hatred of that character in particular. Ugh

[Gumpool]

This clearly has to be for storyline reasons.

Ultra SF4 explains why SF4 is the bridge between SF2 and SF3…and why Bison is nowhere to be found in SF3.

if it makes your sphinxter less tight when you go to bed at night yeah sure

[Spiral0Architect]

I still dunno about amazing even in that game. Losing to j.hk’s from at least one common character in a game where most characters have something that straight up crushes air attacks from the ground or is fully invul. Lack of an overhead really hurts in that game too where just about everyone has one… except Bison.

Better than SF4 by a lot yes I admit would be more accurate imo

Yeah that game is pretty trash now too- and as you said it’s a safe 50/50 overhead clusterfuckstorm of Hworoang, Nina, Mishima these days. At least you can have a partner with an overhead (That’s not Juri, clearly) to help mitigate this a bit for Bison. And he’s still better than SSF4 Bison.

Why are you playing anyone other than Chun in this game? I do like SFxT way more than SF4, though, even with it’s shortcomings. The mechanics and combo system are a lot deeper, and it doesn’t feel as flow-charty compared to SF4. (It might look that way to watch, but in-game decision making is a lot higher imo.) I can’t even watch SF4 streams besides maybe EVO because the game has gotten so dull

[SUPARNOVAX]

Why are you playing anyone other than Chun in this game? I do like SFxT way more than SF4, though, even with it’s shortcomings. The mechanics and combo system are a lot deeper, and it doesn’t feel as flow-charty compared to SF4. (It might look that way to watch, but in-game decision making is a lot higher imo.) I can’t even watch SF4 streams besides maybe EVO because the game has gotten so dull

Chun’s not even that high up. She has plenty of flaws.

[ShadolooDoll]

Why are you playing anyone other than Chun in this game? I do like SFxT way more than SF4, though, even with it’s shortcomings. The mechanics and combo system are a lot deeper, and it doesn’t feel as flow-charty compared to SF4. (It might look that way to watch, but in-game decision making is a lot higher imo.) I can’t even watch SF4 streams besides maybe EVO because the game has gotten so dull

Chun’s not even that high up. She has plenty of flaws.

Um, Chun is S-tier in SfxT.

@ Spiral all that “deepness” of the game goes down the toilet when you have characters with safe overheads and- ah hell. I’m not repeating myself.

Let’s try to keep this topic on track… so yeah SSF4 Bison is ass, and he’ll be keeping that status with these changes in USF4. Waste of disc space, imo. :v