Kim, Jeron and Tampa Bison have all played USF4 and think the -1 nerf is not a big deal. Was the nerf necessary? Probably not. But they’re all high level players so your “if you disagree with me, you must suck” argument doesn’t hold any water.
Happy Medicine still complains about the nerf, so it’s not even like everyone agrees. People have different opinions- it’s not necessary to come into different threads and attack other people when they disagree with you.
I could live with it…IF Bison got more useful stuff than he did.
Its more its not necessary right now. Bison is not going to be in a good spot in Ultra compared to most of the cast as things stand now
Don’t put words in my mouth. I didn’t say that anyone who disagrees with me sucks. I said that publicly advancing the idea that the nerf isn’t a big deal is dumb. If you feel Kim, Jeron, Tampa and others should be promoting the idea that this nerf is a small enough issue that it should be kept in place, please go ahead enjoy that. To me it’s asinine. Jesus Christ himself could get back from a location test and give it the thumbs up and I’d still think it was a stupid idea. Feel free to disagree.
Trivializing a nerf to a character that was already struggling is dumb. Jeron also said he’s also considering giving up Bison till they fix him, so let’s not conveniently leave that out. Ok so three people say it’s not a big deal. Do you think, generally speaking most Bison players would agree? If not, does it really matter what these three individuals think? Positioning your argument as “the professional gamer community has weighed in on this and the nerf is fine” is a more than a little premature.
I’d be shocked beyond belief if Bison got anything else or received any types of major tweaks going forward. If THIS is what they come up with after years of observation and analysis concerning this character, why would there be some incredible epiphany now? The only explanation IMHO is that Capcom consider him to be a noob smasher, and so they’re willing to sacrifice his aptitude at higher level play to ensure that noobs don’t have a pity party for themselves. This seems to be part of a strategy to accommodate weaker players and beginners, who I’d imagine comprise the majority of online players.
I don’t know what most Bison players think, but most are clearly complaining. Most of them also haven’t even played the test builds either, so does it matter what they think? Anyone’s opinion on the change is going to be premature because no one has had more than a few days to see how the changes will actually play out.
Jeron’s complaint is about Bison’s changes as a whole, not just about the -1 SK nerf. He thinks that particular nerf is minor, but overall the character still needs help like what they did with Chun.
Personally, I’m all for making noise about the nerf because, given the choice, I would like to have it reverted. But if the nerf needed to stay to appease the fanbase, then it’s not something I would get that salty about.
It just seems so backwards that they make Bison’s SK the same on block as Balrog’s Straight. Balrog’s Straight used to be -3, but it got buffed to -1. Bison’s SK used to be 0, but got nerfed to -1. Balrog gets BUFFED, yet he was already a more dynamic character than Bison was. It makes no sense to me at all.
A lot of people asked for Dashing Straight to be safer and a lot of people asked for short Knee Press to be less safe. That’s all the logic involved. At the moment, Ultra is just crowdsourced balancing. After looking at some of the other characters, it’s clear that a lot of them are going to be vastly different in the release build. Some characters look like Koryu hacks.
Guys I suggest we compile all our thoughts about Bison and the direction he is going with the changes and his deficiencies and what we would like to see reverted and fixed for him in one coherent post along with all our suggestion and fears than post it in Capcom unity Ulta SF4 forums. I remember when Ayano is taking question in stream said that as long as we make our voice heard they will look into it. Even Compofiend I think said that they still will be taking suggestion. They have opened up a new forum in Capcom unity regarding USF4. Let us try one more time and hope for the best
This is the thread http://www.capcom-unity.com/street_fighter/go/thread/view/7411/30158605/usf4-changes-thread
what do you guys think ? should we Just compile a list of what we think should stay and why the nerfs should be reverted. I think we should also mention how most of Bison move are so borne to trade or easily stuffed altogether.
Update: Nevermind it seems the suggestions in the thread is not meant to be taking into consideration 
Honestly, I think that backthrow putting the opponent into a juggle that allows you to land hell attack would be so good for him. It would really help his damage option, and allow him to actually use his ultras.
i just want to chime in and say that i’ve spoken to more than a handful of top players that don’t actually know what they’re talking about or why they’re winning with their character. in that respect, the only bison “pro” i’ll give much of an ear to is happymedicine
Mike Ross playing Sagat, while combofiend plays Bison. The LK scissors nerf isn’t bad as heard on the commentary. Too bad, James doesn’t play dictator…
My question is does any of them use those chars seriously? Or is this just them messing around?
gotta love hearing that the LK Scissors nerf isn’t that bad, then watching a match with Bison using NO Scissors pressure…
i would hope they’re just messing around because bison was jumping in like a mad man and sagat wasn’t AAing all that much. neither was sagat punishing expc with karaTU
@3:38 that failed Psycho Punisher attempt LOL.
The Ultimate failure is at 10:03. So many characters getting so many new tools and we get shitted on and all you hear is. “its not so bad”, thats not even the fucking point.
From that footage do people here see any difference in meter build from Knee Press or more push back on a blocked Knee Press. These where mentioned by Kim and Tampa and Happy Medicine . I can’t tell.
I hope those stick with combofiend…
I’d do it man, but I don’t think it’d do a damned bit of good.
Here’s the stuff from the front page, for reference:
Well, that jab buff seems kind of real, tbh.