Mp blast is -1 on block I thought? Or can they hit me between the cr mp xx blast cancel?
Do I have them backwards? I always get confused between the two, I know the motion and not the name
Whoops, yeah cr mp xx mp inferno isn’t safe on block, that’s my bad, shows you how much I cancel into blast </embarrassed>
HP inferno combos from a c.mp in VT. So you should be using that instead of blast or mp inferno.
CC s.hk s.hp xx hk.sk VT c.mp xx HP inferno xx CA
That is the most damaging combo i’ve found.
all the vt infernos are the same excluding ex.
Didn’t realize that. Good to know. Any idea why EX Inferno comobs off of a cr.MP outside of VT, but not during?
LOL. Just learned something kind of new, but then it didn’t matter compared to what I was already doing.
Yeah. I kept trying to see if any of the three meter, EX combos came close, but they don’t in terms of damage or ease. Outside of VT it’s just CC s.HK, df. HP, cr. MP, MP Inferno, CA. Actually though, the damage scaling on that sucks. With VT you only get 19 more damage. 492 vs 511.
edit: The combo I was originally suggesting doing in VT that uses one meter does 409 damage. The one listed above using EX Infero > EX Stomp (cr.MP doesn’t cancel into MK Scissor either, have to use LK) does 30 more damage for one more bar. I guess if you’re low enough to have VT then that might be worth doing instead if it can kill them. Generally though, I’d rather have an optional EX Blast available.
All Infernos are the same in V-Trigger, so it doesn’t matter which version you use.
CC S.HK, **Cr.HP, VTC, S.HP, VT MK Scissors, **VT EX Inferno, VT EX Headpress.
@“Kriger Stern” are there any other ways to hit confirm random normals into V trigger without resorting to scissors?
In the post above you went cr hp VTC s HP, what can I do with a cr mp? Can i do cr mp VTC st HK or st HK VTC st HK?
Thinking of ways I can get punishes straight into v trigger without messing my execution on a poorly charged scissors.
I wondered if there was a way to use st.HP during VT, but I couldn’t ever get it to connect with what I was usually trying (CC. HK, st. HK, VT). Anyway, you have an enternity to charge a Scissor Kick after you hit VT and then st. HP. The combo Stern listed still doesn’t do as much as the CA combo, although it does do more than the first EX Inferno > EX Head Stomp. Seems like it’s the most damaging two meter + VT combo though.
edit: I guess I wasn’t understanding what you were actually asking. Going directly into VT off of a confirmed cr.MP on reaction seems way more difficult than using most any of the other suggested attacks. If you were to do something like st. MP, cr. MP, VT, I don’t know what you could actually follow that up with. Seems like you would be too far away, or not have enough hit stun to land anything else. I think you can do a cross up MK, st. MP, VT, st. HK, although I don’t know why you would want to. But anyway, st. HK > VT > st. HK works.
Well, I mean like to punish things that are obviously punishable with cr mp – like if FANG does his dash punch thing and i block it I know i’m gonna get a free cr mp so I was thinking cr mp VT etc.
I rarely use st HK as a punish outside of whiffed dps or frame traps. Any moves off the top of your head that are easily punishable by st HK that i should make note of?
EDIT: this video posted somewhere else in these threads also shows some options. I do’nt know if they are optimized but it looks like the guy is just resorting to cr mp VT cr mp xx inferno xx ex scissors (like the punish at 8:40)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&persist_app=1&v=Xrh3uJduBIc
You guys do know that Bison doesn’t require charge during V-Trigger right? It has to be done from a cancelable normal however.
Not sure if it applies if you cancel into V Trigger mid combo, but any other time during V-Trigger you can just tap the input without charge. Walk forward st.HP xx Scissors xx whatever is a lot of fun. I need to try st.HP xx Psycho Blast and see if that makes people wanna press anything.
I just hold back the entire time after hitting V-Trigger since you still have to hit back before forward anyway. Plus, it’s just a good habit to keep for outside of V-Trigger.
*I’m talking about the initial activation.
Also, after learning that you can do cr.HP > VT > whatever, it makes me wonder what the point of doing HK Scissor is anymore other than as extra time to confirm. You get just a few more points of damage using non charge move methods, but around 50 more stun.
So yeah, I am using more EX-Devil’s reverse now as the blocked portion is +13. You can basically df.HP right immediately if they block it for +1, grab or trap. If they push a button you crush them for an opener.
Don’t know if it’s been posted yet but you can plink df.MP~HP after HK to get psycho axe if crush counter and cr.MP on block/regular hit.
You can do c.MP xx M.Inferno VTC (good mixup opportunity on block when they’re stuck in the inferno) xx EX SK.
or j.HK c.HP VTC s.HK c.MP xx blast/inferno xx EX SK
c.MP VTC c.MP works if they’re close but it’s far from optimal.
Also just because I don’t think I’ve seen it posted.You can do S.HK c.MP xx light SK VTC s.LP xx l.blast xx EX SK. For some reason this combo doesn’t work with s.MP c.MP unless you do M Scissors. This string is also safe on block if you want to use it for pressure.
DR after a 3Hp has been working pretty well for me. After they block a few you can start doing 2mk or throw. It’s a pretty ghetto mix up, but I’ve been getting decent mileage from it
does ex headpress cross up in VT all the time?