M.Bison Combo/Tech Thread: Psycho Power!

[SUPARNOVAX]

Let’s round up interesting tech with Bison in here.

VIDEO LINKS___________________________________________

5F safe jump setup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqsVhIoPhUU

Backthrow crush counter setup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAmVpeJQz8I

VT Inferno 4F crush counter setup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNw-HYBpC3M

EX-Blast wakeup pressure setup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y5ryZf2CTw

V-Skill compilation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXFA9ebqjOI

Corner mixup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VYvzQT10a0

Forward throw into corner dash meaty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1_InivNn4s

MP inferno knockdown into df.HP crush
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOPObMTmIDM

Inferno mixup #1 (meter heavy)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWdpwpyrQTg

Disappearing Dictator Meaty Setups
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-0jjLC0EOw

Punishing with Bison
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xrh3uJduBIc

Bison Combos #1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DT_WKqp29M

Bison Combos #2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBOmhKGxPG4

Reset Combo #1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEk3ws-lHNk

Reset Combo #2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVQgKc2ZMtY

Reset Combo #3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmRYId4XxKE

4f safe jump if no recovery

なない (nanai1025)

If they quick recover (standing or back) your stMP beats their move (I presume a 4f move ?)

なない (nanai1025)

Bison EX-Head press / Throw Tech / V-Reversal OS (not sure if this will work with Alex DLC patch update yet… will test)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fESoIGu34uQ

TIMING IS NEVER REVERSAL. If you do reversal EX headstomp you will lose to meaty throw each time.

Scenarios:

1. Beats meaty throw. You tech
2. Loses to delayed throw. You are thrown out of ex headstomp.
3. Beats very delayed throw. You are airborne.
4. Beats meaty attack. You block and v-reversal
5. Beats delayed meaty attack. You avoid it with ex headstomp.
6. Some times beats very delayed meaty attack. Depends on the hitbox of the normal if you are hit or not. Low hitting attacks will be avoided.

Other scenarios

1. Beats neutral jump.
2. Loses to any v-reversal baits (like blocked jab tick throw throw)

Notes:

1. Make sure you go from down back to up forward as fast as possible. You dont want to get hit during the motion.

2. Not even tried this in a match. Now idea how useful it is.

3. EX headstomp is not a free escape. It will trade or beat with most anti air normals. Alternatively, you can cancel into EX devils reverse (no extra cost). EX devils reverse has startup invulnerability and is a good way to confuse opponents and make their anti airs and air-to-airs whiff.

Reset Compilation #1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP7DO0C5oSo

Reset Compilation #2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yumrpn8ekJk

RnK Clan Resets (Bison combos start at 3m 19s)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyWaVu5opfA

Shadaloo TV Bootcamp #1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOkA5XEhJ28
Shadaloo TV Bootcamp #2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4Bj5oz0N90
Shadaloo TV Bootcamp #3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCiPcOLP4ns

Bison Punishment Guide
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xrh3uJduBIc

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I’m not sure how many people are aware but you can v skill a fireball, hold for the projectile and then mk scissor kick immediately after with scissors by negative edging and get a 3 hit combo off the fireball/1 hit of sk. This needs testing too because I imagine you can do this to close distance too with SK possibly with LK SK if they block the vskill fireball.

Shadow Axe only gets both hits if the first st.MP hits counterhit. Otherwise, there’s a pretty large gap between the two attacks. Shadow Axe on block is pretty punishable.

However, it’s pretty good as a counter poke if you can set up the spacing.

Oh man, I assumed this was common knowledge since I tested his V-Skill during the betas pretty extensively (and earlier tonight against FANG), please accept my offering:

• V-Skill projectile forces them into a similar juggle state as EX Blast, just not nearly as high.
• V-Skill up close combos into Super quite easily, extra easy in the corner of course.
• At any range, if the opponent happens to not quick rise it is possible to OTG follow up with VT EX Stomp, again similar to the launch provided by EX Blast.
• EX Knee Press can also be used as a follow up to the projectile, which could be good given the extra range it has over LK Knee Press.
• VT EX Knee Press hits for the full animation
• VT Inferno can hit at sweep distance for 1 hit
• VT EX Inferno hits for full damage, but does not allow for VT EX Headstomp follow up (OTG is okay, just not the air hit).
• • V-Skill (hold), VT EX Inferno xx VT EX Knee Press for full damage!
• Any and every form of Psycho Blast will miss, don’t bother.
• Quick V-Skill (just the parry) can give Bison an opportunity for a jab or medium depending on his timing/anticipation of the upcoming attack. Though I think in most cases it’s probably best to just throw the projectile anyways. An LP Blast (or any VT Blast) is possible after any light attack other than crouching LK. Tested against Ryu’s s.HP; I could parry with V-Skill and land s.MP before Ryu could block, provided I used the V-Skill early enough.
• Landing a V-Skill on a melee attack DOESN’T count as any sort of hit for them, meaning if they just tried to buffer their super it will be treated as a whiff and not happen at all.
• Using V-Skill against jumping attacks is not recommended as Bison is open to be hit with any landing follow-up attack they may use.
• The attack must hit Bison’s hand to be V-Skilled, meaning if you’re standing point blank and someone throws a fireball involving the character to extend their arms passed the purple shield thing upon emitting said fireball (such as Ryu), it will hit Bison.
• While it cannot parry anything that hits more than once, it can work against attacks that have spaced out hits, like Tatsus, or at the very tip of F.A.N.G’s cr.MK.
• • On that note, since many of F.A.N.G.s attacks hit twice, he generally doesn’t give a fuck about Bison’s V-Skill.
• • F.A.N.G.s LP and MP up balls can be comfortablle V-Skilled due to their spacing. HP version cannot, but you’ll probably be sliding under that anyway.
• V-Skill can be used for great effect against moves that might otherwise not look safe to parry. While I haven’t tested every possible scenario (because who can?) I’ve noticed it on things like Ken’s HK Tatsu; the first hit is parried and the rest of his spinning completely misses Bison while he retaliates, despite looking like it should hit him.
• Low attacks ignore V-Skill since the attack has to hit his hand.
• Birdie straight up is not allowed to use his LK or MK chain against Bison. V-Skill on reaction.

That’s all I got, but I’m sure he’s got more tricks with this thing.

Also what frame traps are you guys using to lead into st.hk?

Cr. Lp into St. Hk will cc late throw techs, but loses to mashed buttons and mashed throw
Cr. Lp into St. MP will beat mashed jab and throws, but the opponent Will block with late throw tech
Cr. Lp into throw works, so everything above is the mixup hierarchy for rock paper scissors there.

If you’re on the far left side of the screen you can react with shadowaxe target combo to the ‘counter’ message on the screen. I did it in training mode with random block/counter., Most of the time. It’s a super late cancel. I can’t bring myself to avert my eyes all the way over there when I’m on the far right side.

Some things I have learned, might have been posted already but I missed it:

-If you hit a CC st.hk, instead of doing st.hk CC downforward.HP, do st.hk slight walkup st.hk, cr.mp MP inferno for the same damage, but 40 more stun. If you manage to hit st.hk from really far, then you should use downforward.hp.

corner throw 4f safejump/meaty setup: normal throw, dash st.hk, neutral jump (jump normal)
If quickrise, they face meaty st.hk (you are +6 after throw into dash, so the st.hk leaves 3f gap), and if they don’t quickrise you get an easy safejump. To all non-bison players, that means ALWAYS quickrise throws.

midscreen 4f safejump (if no quickrise): hold upforward and upon second jump, you get a safejump. Only useful if other person doesn’t know about it/accidentally doesn’t quickrise, you might be punished in the air a well so be advised w/ this.

CC sweep 7f safejump, cr.mp, cr.lp neutral jump. Might be a better one but it’s really hard to find. If someone can find a way to wait somewhere between 27-30 frames after the sweep you might be able to get it.

stomp has significantly less charge time than blast/scissors. You can jump, start charging, and immediately upon landing do the stomp/devil’s reverse.

I don’t think bison has a large throw range particularly. The reason it seems that way is because he is one of the characters in the game (along w/ grapplers, rashid, nash, karin, might be missing someone) who has a very tight tic throw string, namely from cr.lp/st.lp/cr.lk into throw. Cannot be jabbed out, must be teched/jumped/backdashed/DP’d out of.

chip kill: HP inferno VT HP inferno super for 124 guaranteed damage

good mixup: cr.lp, slight walkback st.lp LP blast. Will beat throwtech/delayed throw tech, block reversal DP, will beat neutral jump since blast comes out, loses to reversal low/3f/4f normal.

Backdashing after crossup works really well to beat throwtech and potential DP. You can get st.hk but no followup, but you can react to the throwtech and do cr.mp MP inferno. Backdashing in general works really well to beat many things, especially against antsy players who always feel the need to do something (DP/throwtech/button press).

If you stick out st.mp, react to the counterhit under your health bar and then go for downforward.HP.

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gilley’s frame data doc: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1976rt8B91PqVCeYJAmcnW1uwVJ0H03QJtV-dJC5ohL8/edit#gid=1686056911

V-Trigger Cancel Properties

Attack	VT Hit	VT Guard
s.LP	1	0
s.MP	9	5
s.HP	9	4
s.LK	2	0
s.MK	6	2
s.HK	10	7
c.LP	0	-1
c.MP	6	3
c.HP	11	5
c.LK	0	1
c.MK	5	3
c.HK	Kd	4
df.HP	15	10
s.MP~df.hp	15	4
LP blast	Kd	15
MP blast	Kd	15
HP blast	Kd	14
EX blast	Kd	17
LP inferno	Kd	19
MP inferno	Kd	20
HP inferno	Kd	28
EX inferno	Kd	29
LK knee press	5	-2
MK knee press	5	0
HK knee press	6	3
EX knee press	kd	7

[drunkards_walk]

Awesome job

[SUPARNOVAX]

I dug up videos from the last few pages in the general thread. Feel free to post what I have missed. We will evaluate if they are still valid with the retail launch build.

[Captain_Hawke]

This is such a pleasant surprise. Here I am bored and decided to jump on here and see some awesome tech!!! thanks. I will be watching these videos everyday until SFV.

Edit: on that 4frame video. He uses the SK to switch sides. Now would he be able to dash back on the other side to confuse the opponent even more if they were expecting it (SK)? I’m not sure exactly what his dash properties are yet. as far as him phasing through stuff. Also the more I watch all of these the more the mind starts thinking.

[laudanum09]

Got my ps4 hrap. Didnt play the beta but im looking forward to another era of dictatorship with everyone. See you dicks next week

[exploid]

Now would he be able to dash back on the other side to confuse the opponent even more if they were expecting it (SK)? I’m not sure exactly what his dash properties are yet. as far as him phasing through stuff. Also the more I watch all of these the more the mind starts thinking.

He phases out on frame 6 in v-trigger forward dash.

[SUPARNOVAX]

Yeah the timing sounds about right if they read it and try to DP. The timing is perfectly lined up. You swipe them with df.HP on the way down and finish your combo, technically if you started with that same jump in the average character should probably stun. I don’t know if the stun meter starts to deplete that quickly after a quick rise and DP frame animation time frame.

[KungFoo]

Meaty pressure options
https://youtu.be/A1_InivNn4s

Safe jump options
https://youtu.be/M0O0rOS_5qU

[SUPARNOVAX]

Got those covered. Thanks

[Yanniz]

[quote=“SUPARNOVAX”]

AHHHHHHHH Fresh forums.

Let’s round up interesting tech with Bison in here.

5F safe jump setup

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I don’t know if someone noticed the fact that if you do an empty jump instead of jump attack you are safe from 3f reversal. A good way to bait dp

[Wikum]

@SUPARNOVAX - can you please delete any of the videos in your first post that have tech that doesn’t work anymore (on release day obviously).

i found that one of the problems with the sf4 guile forum is that original posts weren’t kept updated between new versions of the game it just became a big mess. thanks in advance.

[SUPARNOVAX]

@SUPARNOVAX - can you please delete any of the videos in your first post that have tech that doesn’t work anymore (on release day obviously).

i found that one of the problems with the sf4 guile forum is that original posts weren’t kept updated between new versions of the game it just became a big mess. thanks in advance.

Yes, invalidated information from the retail launch testing will be removed.

[riesz]

@SUPARNOVAX - can you please delete any of the videos in your first post that have tech that doesn’t work anymore (on release day obviously).

i found that one of the problems with the sf4 guile forum is that original posts weren’t kept updated between new versions of the game it just became a big mess. thanks in advance.

I feel like there’s going to be a ton of overhasty and unnecessary “tech” videos this time around. Like in that v-skill video half the stuff doesn’t even work. And that that oki video leaves out the most obvious followup to Inferno which is the safe jump. Also all that silly editing and 30s intros and all that other unnecessary shit.

Oh and while I’m complaining about things, why does no frame data site/app/whatever list his target combo?

[Milligano]

Good stuff so far!

[SUPARNOVAX]

@SUPARNOVAX - can you please delete any of the videos in your first post that have tech that doesn’t work anymore (on release day obviously).

i found that one of the problems with the sf4 guile forum is that original posts weren’t kept updated between new versions of the game it just became a big mess. thanks in advance.

I feel like there’s going to be a ton of overhasty and unnecessary “tech” videos this time around. Like in that v-skill video half the stuff doesn’t even work. And that that oki video leaves out the most obvious followup to Inferno which is the safe jump. Also all that silly editing and 30s intros and all that other unnecessary shit.

Oh and while I’m complaining about things, why does no frame data site/app/whatever list his target combo?

The data mined stuff from Dantarion lists it as “TC PSYCHOAXE” but the properties are slightly different supposedly.

The Prima guide comes out in a few days anyway. Be patient.

[laudanum09]

Tony what do u mean? Target combo is going to be different for the final release? Ive been dreaming about a use for that move. I get dead normals, it can happen, but something as unique as a target combo and it doesnt work?

[SUPARNOVAX]

Tony what do u mean? Target combo is going to be different for the final release? Ive been dreaming about a use for that move. I get dead normals, it can happen, but something as unique as a target combo and it doesnt work?

The psycho axe from a raw df.HP is not the same as the s.MP~df.HP.

The raw psycho axe is +1 on block. The target combo psycho axe can be jabbed point blank because it’s -5. It needs to be spaced. You can’t spam it.

Need that damn early retail copy

Hopefully I can score it before launch date and get it rolling. Got two local events to hit up including NLBC.

[Max_The_Scrublord]

I thought he was alright in 4 but I’m definitely making him one of my top characters in this game, looks godlike.

[laudanum09]

But isnt max st.mp the furthest you can space it? That combined with df.hp forward movement, thats gotta put you pretty damn close.

Even if it were minus 2 or 3 what would be the use. You cant really tic throw off st.mp so theres no reason to push buttons afterwards. Theres safer options for hit confirm counter hits. More damage for dp punishes. Regular df.hp is so much better. What the hell is the point and how could it be made useful? Right now it seems utterly pointless but i want it to work.

[SUPARNOVAX]

But isnt max st.mp the furthest you can space it? That combined with df.hp forward movement, thats gotta put you pretty damn close.

Even if it were minus 2 or 3 what would be the use. You cant really tic throw off st.mp so theres no reason to push buttons afterwards. Theres safer options for hit confirm counter hits. More damage for dp punishes. Regular df.hp is so much better. What the hell is the point and how could it be made useful? Right now it seems utterly pointless but i want it to work.

Good question. I feel MP~Axe could use a tweak. I mean if it were like -3 it’s just a signal that they don’t want you to spam it since it moves you forward and it’s like, hey Bison, block or retreat. But I think for the most part it’s gonna be really hard to punish online. The stuttery block stuns kinda throw me off.