M.Bison Combo/Tech Thread: Psycho Power!

[laudanum09]

Haven’t been good about using V-trigger combos on crush counter. Instead I’ve been going for forcing the opponent to block inferno and canceling into V-trigger for a left/right mixup.

You should finish the combo and then go for the mixup. You can still cross em up and fuck with em and chances are youll get a stun if the mixup lands

[Kriger_Stern]

according to the Prima guide, ex headstomp is fully projectile invul, and ex devils reverse is invincible in the first 16 frames. Ex headstomp to Ex devils reverse only burns 1 bar, So i was wondering if this is a good tool to deal with fireballs.

EX DR is slow and doesn’t move foward a lot. You’d be wasting one bar to do nothing. His EX HP being invulnerable to projectiles is only useful against Ryu (Super), Dhalsim and Fang.

[laudanum09]

But its so pretty…dat norio wakamoto…muh woooooyaaaaahhhh

[Kriger_Stern]

If it’s in japanese, you have no better usafe of meter, then.
Once you have full meter, you can either:
a) Critical Art
b) Hear Norio’s screams 3 times.

I guess it’s obvious that option B is the one to go.

If you’re attending tournaments, however, I suggest switching to english bison so you won’t be tempted.

[Exceed]

Was watching Mike Ross’ stream earlier today and Tampa Bison had an interesting setup that I had to experiment with -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF1YjiDuYWE

Pretty interesting if you ask me. Dash under, cross under with Inferno, and cancel into EX Head Stomp. For some reason the Head Stomp will go back to the other side. I’m guessing that it will go back to the side where the original move it was cancelled from was performed.

[Milligano]

I’m not sure how many people are aware but you can v skill a fireball, hold for the projectile and then mk scissor kick immediately after with scissors by negative edging and get a 3 hit combo off the fireball/1 hit of sk. This needs testing too because I imagine you can do this to close distance too with SK possibly with LK SK if they block the vskill fireball.

CONFIRMED.

Just tried it. Shit is legit for a predicted fireball.

I feel like buffering a scissor for an anticipated jump in would make fireball characters think twice about exploiting v skill.

I’m not sure how many people are aware but you can v skill a fireball, hold for the projectile and then mk scissor kick immediately after with scissors by negative edging and get a 3 hit combo off the fireball/1 hit of sk. This needs testing too because I imagine you can do this to close distance too with SK possibly with LK SK if they block the vskill fireball.

Awesome! Do you know if this works for other moves like headstomp?

I will test later today and come back and see. Yeah I rate it for closing distance at the very least and c ornering your opponent. Just keep an eye on how they react to your fireball then react accordingly to close in or stay put.

Edit: With the input leniency you don’t need to negative edge it so you can do it with any variation of scissors

[Janitor_Ned]

Oh man, I assumed this was common knowledge since I tested his V-Skill during the betas pretty extensively (and earlier tonight against FANG), please accept my offering:

• V-Skill projectile forces them into a similar juggle state as EX Blast, just not nearly as high.
• V-Skill up close combos into Super quite easily, extra easy in the corner of course.
• At any range, if the opponent happens to not quick rise it is possible to OTG follow up with VT EX Stomp, again similar to the launch provided by EX Blast.
• EX Knee Press can also be used as a follow up to the projectile, which could be good given the extra range it has over LK Knee Press.
• VT EX Knee Press hits for the full animation
• VT Inferno can hit at sweep distance for 1 hit
• VT EX Inferno hits for full damage, but does not allow for VT EX Headstomp follow up (OTG is okay, just not the air hit).
• • V-Skill (hold), VT EX Inferno xx VT EX Knee Press for full damage!
• Any and every form of Psycho Blast will miss, don’t bother.
• Quick V-Skill (just the parry) can give Bison an opportunity for a jab or medium depending on his timing/anticipation of the upcoming attack. Though I think in most cases it’s probably best to just throw the projectile anyways. An LP Blast (or any VT Blast) is possible after any light attack other than crouching LK. Tested against Ryu’s s.HP; I could parry with V-Skill and land s.MP before Ryu could block, provided I used the V-Skill early enough.
• Landing a V-Skill on a melee attack DOESN’T count as any sort of hit for them, meaning if they just tried to buffer their super it will be treated as a whiff and not happen at all.
• Using V-Skill against jumping attacks is not recommended as Bison is open to be hit with any landing follow-up attack they may use.
• The attack must hit Bison’s hand to be V-Skilled, meaning if you’re standing point blank and someone throws a fireball involving the character to extend their arms passed the purple shield thing upon emitting said fireball (such as Ryu), it will hit Bison.
• While it cannot parry anything that hits more than once, it can work against attacks that have spaced out hits, like Tatsus, or at the very tip of F.A.N.G’s cr.MK.
• • On that note, since many of F.A.N.G.s attacks hit twice, he generally doesn’t give a fuck about Bison’s V-Skill.
• • F.A.N.G.s LP and MP up balls can be comfortablle V-Skilled due to their spacing. HP version cannot, but you’ll probably be sliding under that anyway.
• V-Skill can be used for great effect against moves that might otherwise not look safe to parry. While I haven’t tested every possible scenario (because who can?) I’ve noticed it on things like Ken’s HK Tatsu; the first hit is parried and the rest of his spinning completely misses Bison while he retaliates, despite looking like it should hit him.
• Low attacks ignore V-Skill since the attack has to hit his hand.
• Birdie straight up is not allowed to use his LK or MK chain against Bison. V-Skill on reaction.

That’s all I got, but I’m sure he’s got more tricks with this thing.

[SUPARNOVAX]

Okay, some stuff I put together.

These are all frame traps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMRW9jk_pz4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJZcaZfXxAU

[SUPARNOVAX]

I still wanna know how to manually force out cross up EX-head stomps.

[Exceed]

• Landing a V-Skill on a melee attack DOESN’T count as any sort of hit for them, meaning if they just tried to buffer their super it will be treated as a whiff and not happen at all.

Just tested this and it’s not true. You can still special or super cancel any normal even if Bison absorbs it. Target combos will still come out as well. Aside from that, this is great info. V-Trigger EX SK getting full animation is pretty cool. Definitely needs more testing!

Looking at the frame data, it seems like Bison’s V-Skill is pretty close to Ryu’s parry frame wise -

PSYCHO REFLECT 
STARTUP	
6
ACTIVE	
7
RECOVERY	
30

MIND’S EYE 
STARTUP	
3
ACTIVE	
7
RECOVERY	
29

Ryu’s Parry is active on Frame 4, whereas Bison’s is active on Frame 7. Both are active for a total of 7 frames. Only 1 frame difference between recovery frames. So there will definitely be certain strings or moves that Bison will be able to parry and punish, which is great news! We definitely need to add this to our arsenal!

I still wanna know how to manually force out cross up EX-head stomps.

Check out the video I posted a few posts up.

[SUPARNOVAX]

here are some timings to get his vtrigger dash to skip through wakeup dragon punches:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-0jjLC0EOw

Got something kinda similar in the corner off a hit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exPxP48drcc

[Janitor_Ned]

• Landing a V-Skill on a melee attack DOESN’T count as any sort of hit for them, meaning if they just tried to buffer their super it will be treated as a whiff and not happen at all.

Just tested this and it’s not true. You can still special or super cancel any normal even if Bison absorbs it. Target combos will still come out as well. Aside from that, this is great info. V-Trigger EX SK getting full animation is pretty cool. Definitely needs more testing!

Oh, damn. I went back to take a look and you’re right. I tested it by making the dummy throw a punch and mash out a super so it would cancel on hit or block but not on his V-Skill. This combined with further testing of your testing leads me to think that they pretty much have to see the V-Skill in order to time it properly, which I don’t see happening online. Thoughts?

[Nevermore]

Edit: Nvm. I was having issues figuring out how to setup the dummy to do X action on wakeup while also quick rising. I was trying to use the record feature, but it doesn’t allow you to easily setup quick rise, and it keeps stun on. Figured it out though. You don’t use the playback feature at all, you just program the dummy and leave it set to dummy.

The only way I’ve been able to achieve that is to record a few seconds of whatever just to put the clock on the screen, then do whatever the setup is I’m investigating and pinpoint where on the timer they hit the floor. Then I go to the dummy and tell it to do the shit I want and force a quick rise command on that time mark that I’m aiming for. If you didn’t already know, pressing PP is an alternative method of neutral rise, and KK is for back rise, which I use if I’m trying to keep them blocking for whatever reason.

It’s dicky work but it does the trick so far.

Not sure if this will change anything for you, but it’s what I was after.

http://www.streetfightergod.com/#!training-mode-guide/aw4u9

[Janitor_Ned]

The only way I’ve been able to achieve that is to record a few seconds of whatever just to put the clock on the screen, then do whatever the setup is I’m investigating and pinpoint where on the timer they hit the floor. Then I go to the dummy and tell it to do the shit I want and force a quick rise command on that time mark that I’m aiming for. If you didn’t already know, pressing PP is an alternative method of neutral rise, and KK is for back rise, which I use if I’m trying to keep them blocking for whatever reason.

It’s dicky work but it does the trick so far.

[SUPARNOVAX]

Wake up actions need to be timed for reversals to work I think.

[Xenokrizalid]

Anyone know any true block strings?

[yah_yaahh_b_tch]

wait wait wait WAIT

VSKILL parried PHYSICAL ATTACKS?

Why am I just now finding out about this??? This is huge.

It even sends a projectile back on birdies chains. So thats a free midscreen punish for his chain pressure.

I had shit to do today and it seems like I’ll be in the house cooking up some dirty shit.

Just to confirm, psycho reflect can also absors physical hits at close range. He has a parry punish…

EDIT: Rest in peace, Dhalsim normals.

[Nevermore]

wait wait wait WAIT

VSKILL parried PHYSICAL ATTACKS?

Why am I just now finding out about this??? This is huge.

I found this out within the first hour of training mode, just to see if it was a projectile only skill. Nash’s wasn’t, so why should his? Anyway, it has its uses, but for an up close “parry” for normals, it’s very limited. The start up is pretty slow at 6f. I also wouldn’t waste my time using it as a medium to far AA when Bison has much better options. You could probably use it to play mind games though, training the opponent not to throw out specific moves anymore, even within footsie range (Vega/Rashid).

Check out the video I posted a few posts up.

Not sure if that’s what Supranovax was asking about, but is that really a legitimate “crossup”? The dummy rises facing where it’s going to land.

[SUPARNOVAX]

wait wait wait WAIT

VSKILL parried PHYSICAL ATTACKS?

Why am I just now finding out about this??? This is huge.

I found this out within the first hour of training mode, just to see if it was a projectile only skill. Nash’s wasn’t, so why should his? Anyway, it has its uses, but for an up close “parry” for normals, it’s very limited. The start up is pretty slow at 6f. I also wouldn’t waste my time using it as a medium to far AA when Bison has much better options. You could probably use it to play mind games though, training the opponent not to throw out specific moves anymore, even within footsie range.

I thought about that and actually did it the other day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpTSZlR9Xdk

Vskill’d his s.HK off the start of the round and got the knockdown for early pressure lol

[Nevermore]

Vskill’d his s.HK off the start of the round and got the knockdown for early pressure lol

You know, I wonder how useful that would be against a teleport > fierce happy Dhalsim. Not sure how many frames the air teleport (on reaction) to fierce is. Wouldn’t that be some shit though? It would shut down much of their pressure. I think most of the moves though that would be easy to parry tend to be the slower attacks that (negative) you can just get a full combo started off of with st. roundhouse or cr. strong instead. The parry would be useful for the moves that tend to push the opponent just out of range on block.