London's burning... Tottenham riots in the UK

Roughly 13-17% of the US lives in poverty.
In 2009, the reported property crime rate was 3,036 per 100,000 (or about 3%).

(From Wikipedia, take with a grain of salt.)

Assuming that under-reporting cancels out the fact that each crime is likely not committed by a unique individual, and some of these crimes may not be committed by people below the poverty line, the overwhelming majority of those in poverty would appear to disagree with you. If that isn’t convincing enough, compare the violent crime rate (about 0.4%) to whatever estimate you wish to give of the number of people who have been so angry that they thought it would make them feel good to hit somebody (hint: it’s probably more than 0.4% of the population).

I would have thought that it was self-evident that people of reasonable intellect and temperament play by the rules even when it doesn’t give them exactly what they desire at that moment; I was wrong.

Or so that you uphold rules designed to benefit the group as a whole, depending on when you’re posting. I’m a theist, and fully certain that you will think my understanding of rules and morality is complete and utter crap. However, even secular individuals recognize in some way that if you decide to do whatever you want, it is logical to conclude that other people might decide to do the same in a fashion which harms you. And it logically follows that when enough people think this way, then might makes right. And those who are rich and seek to become richer take advantage of those who are poor. And you’re right back where you started.

But since you’ve concocted the brilliant amendment of “well, it’s cool to steal if you’re poor enough”, explain to me what level of income is required to be at the point where you don’t have to steal from anyone. Does it vary by person? If so, who determines it? Hopefully not the individual in question; there are studies that suggest a good chunk of people determine whether they have “enough” based on how they compare to people around them.

You certainly seem to sympathize with “I want stuff, I should take it” a lot more than “I have stuff that I plan to sell in order to make my living, I hope nobody takes it.” You also appear to believe that a poor store owner who is not stealing is incapable of using logic in addition to being beyond stupid.

I get why these guys are doing what they are doing. We have been through this:
#1. They want something and think that stealing it is the best way to obtain it.
#2. They do not care or are oblivious to the fact that they are treating another person unfairly in the process.

There’s actually a word for people who exhibit this kind of behaviour on a regular basis. They’re called “sociopaths”. You can look it up in any form of dictionary you wish, but I’m afraid that there are no references to “the game” and whether it is “working for them”.

I will add that I am not in complete shock and awe that things of this sort are happening. People have been finding new ways to suck for years. Nor am I trying to display contempt for them as human beings or claim unquestioned moral superiority. I am merely calling selfish, wrong behaviour for what it is. Furthermore, there are enough legitimate victims who are in a similar situation who are not conducting themselves in such a manner that I believe the criminals in question are acting without excuse.

Actually… As stated in a video that was posted earlier, children who are raised in a home with a drug-abusing father who is into crime are something like 5x more likely to follow in those footsteps.
Compare that to a kid raised in a mansion who gets private tutors and goes to a private school and gets 1-on-1 attention. Can you honestly say they have equal opportunity? Obviously fucking not.

^:wtf:

I am up to my neck in student in loans and debt because I’m not poor enough:rofl:…

Scholarships and grant money are all targeted towards the disadvantaged and impoverished… there are so many folks that I know that are fucking away that money by taking bullshit classes that will not land them jobs or make them more than a burden to society…

They aren’t going after courses like computers(hardware components), automobiles, engineering, electricity, steel work, wood work… something that they can always make money with and a useful skill that they can carry through life…

Electricians will not be out of work because there are so many applications it can be put towards… EVERYTHING runs on electricity… I mean damn… I can’t even count how many people are fucking away free money on shit like business management when they know DAMN WELL they aren’t running a business anywhere but into the ground…

/My 2 cents

“If we abolish unemployment insurance, the number of unemployed people would be cut in half overnight”

-what passes for rational thought on srk

also damn those poor people and all the lucky breaks they are afforded. i wish i was dirt poor so i could live the high life too.

Or the moral hazard ramifications of EI (quantification maybe off). Surely you aren’t under the impression that every single person on EI is trying their absolute hardest to find work?

Doesn’t eliminate the fact that they are responsible for their own (poorly chosen) actions, so what’s your point? See, I’m a big fan of personal responsibility. My mom was a drunk, and she drank while she was carrying me (caused me to be born a month early, with the cartilage of my chest soft and flexible for about 6 months). Does that mean I’m supposed to be a drunk too? Hell no. Never touch the stuff. I could have been stealing cars and selling drugs with my old friends from back in the hood. I chose not to, despite growing up in the same surroundings, and living worse than they did (they had cable, lived in big apartments with an upstairs and had ac while all my family had was a single floor, “shot-gun” style 4-room house, with second-hand box fans from the flea market…we were all on food stamps, so it was equal in that department)…and here I am, clean record, decent job, while these guys still do stupid shit and get locked up at least once a year (I check up on them via online arrest inquiries with the local sheriff’s office). You can only blame society/the white man/whatever for your own actions for only so long before people start smelling bullshit.

eh not same problem for everyone. sides, even if you are a felon, you can’t unfelon yourself… everyone has to make a living. at least for felons though they could play off that they’re badasses and find criminal work. if you’re a pussy (or soft-hearted at least) and unemployed you get no lucky breaks

not talking about poverty. there’s a difference between living in poverty and being stuck on level 3 infinitely

so, uphold the rules that benefit the whole just because they’re being satisfied. gotcha. scuse me while I get my new TV…

I didn’t say “well, it’s cool to steal if you’re poor enough”. that’s terrible comprehension. in fact I’m surprised, I thought it was that point I was most clear on. I’m saying it makes no sense to hold on to morals when it doesn’t benefit you. and by benefit, I’m not talking about some arbitrary shit like “I wanna steal your TV but morals say I can’t so fuck morals. I mean I could just buy my own but I see yours and I want THAT one”. I’m saying when there’s no plan to win inside the guidelines, time to toss those guidelines away because they suck.

lemme put it this way. a psychotic serial killer with a knife comes into your home and asks you where your loved ones are. are you concerned that if you lie to him you’re being dishonest, or that you’re not being a very nice person if you ignore his question? no, you couldn’t care less about that. you want this nigga outta your house and into a jail cell cause he’s screwing with your interests: the safety of you and your loved ones

by the way, and I know it might seem this way to you, but I’m not discussing which group should be hurt to preserve the interests of the other. I don’t see a reason why both groups can’t prosper side by side. when everyone’s satisfied, you don’t have shit like riots happening in the first place… it’s win-win

let me edit #1 and #2 for you and add #3
#1.They want something and think stealing it during a riot is the easiest way to obtain it.
#2. They do not care or are oblivious to the fact that they are treating another person unfairly in the process… because they’re being treated unfairly themselves.
#3. They want to go from point A to point B in their life, but they lack a way there.

there’s a word for people who exhibit that kind of behavior. they’re called victims

yeah they stole some shit. yeah, they fucked some people up. I’m not saying that fucking up people cause you feel like it or going to the store to take something just cause you want it any time you want it is cool. I’m saying I understand why they did it and I understand how to stop them from wanting to do it

I don’t understand how people are comparing what the bankers did to bring on the recession to what these looters did. There is no moral high ground here. Yes the bankers got away, but in what way can you justify what these people did. You want to make a stand, make stand in a way that counts.

You have hundreds of people that have died in Syria in the past couple of months(and still do as I’m typing this), and they live in poverty and despair(far worse than these rioters), yet you don’t see these them rioting senslessly. They protest in ways that count and are willing to lay their life down on the line.

Let’s face it, yeah people are poor and miserable but how will this bring about any change in your life? These guys were nothing but a bunch of hoodlums that felt they were entitled to something far greater than what life has dealt them, nothing more.

ofmg’s posts are of exceptionally low quality

Agreed. There’s rioters going through the courts now who have jobs. The whole haves and have nots justification is fucking retarded. Understanding why they do stuff? hmm - one of the rioters said it was the best day in her life. She was the cunt who got turfed in by her Mum IIRC

weird criticism

didn’t mean to indicate that everyone joining in was someone broke. i wouldn’t be surprised if some rich kids were down there just to get a few kicks. but nevermind who was down there, what about the fact that this took place

Streets of Rage 4: London Brawling?

: D

Can’t believe this affected SVB 20XI.

Neoempire were apparently meant to get some monitors from their sponsors but they werent willing to cart around expensive equipment around London just after the riots.

Surely you aren’t under the impression that whether every single person on EI is trying their absolute hardest to find work is any kind of rational criteria for the existence of EI itself?

This is all over the news today. Apparently well over 70% of the general public agree with David Starky.

source?

I cant cite any emediate sources because I’m watching it on the news (UK news) right now.

I get that there’s a need and that some people are legitimately down on their luck. I also get that there are people who are taking advantage who might have a little more incentive to find work if the check stopped coming in.

well that’s a start

The Sun news paper, Evening Standard, Telegraph, The Guardian, bbc new, sky news, The Wright show… you can watch todays episode tomorrow on youtube.

in a recent dailymail.co.uk poll 80% agreed with david Starkey views.

read the comments at the bottom of the article. (click on the best rated comments and the worst).