it tickles me that people want to play the game of morals only when it suits them
you see people victimizing others, I see a brand new plasma TV with a playstation 3 in my home. my utility goes up a little and I’m satisfied for a while; I don’t feel like killing anyone anymore. on my moral scale, stealing is a far lesser crime than conjuring up the drive to blow up buildings and other people and shit. but I dunno, maybe you can take that stance you have because you’re not miserable and your place actually has stuff in it.
to an extent. Look at the race riots after Rodney King. A lot of those people didn’t give two shits, and just wanted to steal. When things go chaotic, you don’t really get to pick and choose your battles, or complain about looting and shit. THATS WHAT A RIOT IS. It’s mass craziness, and the message easily gets lost. But sadly, the one way to get people’s attention is to be loud and brash like this, smashing and stealing. It lets the middle/upper class know that if shit gets out of hand again, skull will be cracked, and free shit will be taken by one and all. Sure, its a shitty fact of society, but sometimes it HAS TO HAPPEN
If the lower class weren’t so lacking in education, they might have a lot more constructive ways to channel their anger, confusion and resentment. But someone decided that education should cost more than all other living expenses, leaving knowledge in the hands of the wealthy. So now you’ve got a population who’s angry and uneducated.
When you mix dog turds, cat scat and bird droppings, you’re bound to end up with a shit souffle.
Is he being racist, or has he failed to put his point across. I think both, the rap/me cultural is poisonous to the young mind, it may have come from a minority in the black community that you can make money quickly & earn respect by being a gangsta. They listen to this stuff 24/7, it’s not just rap/hip hop it can be seen in many other forms of media and music, shit the Italian mafia movies have been showing this sort of rags to riches lifestyle way before rap was doing it.
These kids don’t care about school, they don’t think about their future, even the brightest will cave to peer pressure and would rather follow the group than be left out, that’s not a black thing.
His comment about slag and the “proper” English was just plain stupid. I’ve had this said about me by a couple of my clients that I don’t sound black. Awhile back I got in an argument with a guy who called me an uncle tom because I didn’t talk slag like him …he was white.
Anyway, law needs to employ stricter punishment to youths, at 10 you know the difference between right and wrong. I would be happy to see a policy of “do a man’s crime, do a man’s time” implemented
do you know the original purpose of morality? it was to increase the entire group’s benefits so that they survive.
with that in mind… holding on to morals in this instance is ludicrous. for one, it’s to benefit people you don’t know or care about who also don’t know or care about you. second, it doesn’t fix your problem. I’m not saying looting stores is the perfect solution, I’m not even saying it’s a GOOD solution, I’m just saying it’s viable for temporary relief. what should they do then? and I’d really like to hear an answer other than “get a job” or “don’t loot stores”. I’d like to hear an answer that comes from thinking of yourself in their position
I find it funny because cockney (which is white urban slang) isnt considered to be proper english, but you dont hear people complaining about that.
some people are just shocked to see so many white people involved in the looting because the issue that incited the riots was a black protest about the killing of a black man… Eventhough we all know that the looting that consequently occured after the protest had absolutely nothing to do with the protest.
I like to think that what you’ve said is what I would do, but I’m not going to play hypothetical warrior. If your first reaction to not having something you want (and big screen TVs are a want, not a need) is “I should steal it or break things or I’m going to lose my mind”, I honestly don’t know what to tell you. As it is I disagree with your seemingly utilitarian understanding of morality, so I figure we’re just talking at each other at this point.
I don’t get when the black lady said we should address these other cultures, which in this case isn’t mine, as ours. It is not. I am exposed to it, and it rubs off, but not to the point where it can be addressed as my culture.
Sounds like more politically correct bullshit.
White guy is so black and white about it though, with not enough room for flexibility.
I don’t think the guy is being racist, he is the product of a time where “those”, were not a part of his world, and should be addressed as such.
The guy did have a point where mainstream black culture is bad. And he did point out that that aspect of black culture is bad, but other aspects are
On a side note England looks like a bad place to be.
it’s not an either or situation. it’s “I have nothing. I feel shitty about that. here is an opportunity to get something. I want something. I’m getting something.” same reason illegal immigrants are coming in from over the border and working for LESS than minimum wage. the risk is looking mighty pathetic and the reward mighty good… it’s much better than the previous opportunities.
by the way. while a TV is a want and not a need, having wants is a need. we aren’t alive to just get what we need. no one’s satisfied with just what they need. that’s not to say that we should all have giant ass mansions and the most expensive cars or whatever, just that we all have the right to try and gain some satisfaction out of life.
by the way, about morality, it’s fact that the original purpose was survival (edit: why the fuck didn’t edits save this?). the game was survival. we don’t have to live in the wild anymore, we’ve colonized places and force dangerous animals out. so we have a new set of rules… thou shalt not killl and whatnot. I’m just pointing out that following the rules when doing so isn’t beneficial is kinda dumb. rules are there to create benefit.
You are being willfully obtuse if you refuse to acknowledge the benefit of living in a world where people will not take your stuff with force because they want it. That is a natural result of “don’t steal” being a rule. You have completely ignored the other side of the equation here; I would like to know how you reconcile this with your understanding of the purpose of morality being to “increase the entire group’s benefits”.
like I said before, if the rules don’t benefit you, then fuck them. this is what any logical – no, this is even what stupid people do. the point of following these rules in society is so you can move up in the world and get your own shit so you don’t have to steal from anyone. but when you can’t do shit and the people who have their lives set are like “la lala lala” going on about their day while you have NOTHING, am I supposed to just play this game and suffer in silence just because you’re doing good? I wanna do good too
I haven’t ignored any side of the equation. in fact I’m taking both into account. it’s not like I randomly decided I like rioters better than the store owners or whatever. hell, that would be an ignorant thing to do cause who’s to say that the store owners themselves aren’t poor?
the only thing I’m trying to say is that that shit happened for a reason, and it’s not cause they’re dumbass kids who lack morals and are too lazy to go to work or whatever else. it’s cause the game’s not working for them… and no one cares. so THEY have to care. and they will care this way until the game works for them. make the game work for them, and they won’t steal shit. simple. but as long as it’s not working out, they’re gonna steal shit. and as it gets worse, you’re gonna see them stealing shit WITHOUT a riot sparking theft
It’s such a shame the places smashed up seem to be the places most likely to offer entry level jobs these days which younger people can actually get like shop assistants, I mean sure there aren’t many vacancys there since you don’t seem to need too many people to staff a shop, but at least they sometimes can put out a job advert which doesn’t basicly say “If you don’t have experience, you can fuck right off”.
But of course people are dumb and just want to nick stuff.
Maybe they should stop fucking up. I bet they have the same problem their counterparts have here: irresponsible actions and/or convictions for
criminal activities have resulted in limited opportunities for them, so they blame everyone else for the results of their own actions. “I cain’t git no decent jobs cuz dey ain’t hirin’ felons. Man, dis shit ain’t no fair!” I hear this shit all the time.