It’s not just fighters Mihai, its literally all gaming nowadays. They want money and players for their games so they choose to make sure anyone can play it without giving them the ounce of a challenge.
RPGs - FF’s used to be a giant expanding world where you explore and discover where you go as you play and strategize in fights. Now it’s a flat out 1way path game with save points literally every 5 minutes and a combat system where 2 allies are AI controlled and a button that actually chooses the best attack for you every round. Not only this is just walking, finding a town and buying equipment was awsome. Now its all based on save points that updates the store after most plot points. FF13 was maybe the worst FF i’ve played due to it being so linear.
Adventure - Used to be finding a save point was a god send after a long level. Now you can save at any time as well as get the option to continue from last loading screen if you die. This completely makes saving redundant as you play.
Shooters - Once you get the good weapons un-locked (basing this off Call of Duty only) your basically set till the next good one. And with these abilities you get if your losing (Ultras lol) just makes it fair once again if they put you back into good rankings.
As soon as MvC3 came out I knew it’d be like this. Easy combos that go into almost anything, easy input timing (I wish it was harder) that goes into 8 hit combos to super, Every team having Sent almost, online being shit covered with Zeros/Dantes/Sents.
You should’ve seen what I had to deal with at Wega Mihai lol. Not going to tell you detailed story but this guy was bitching about bread and butters and keep away characters. This guy even told Chris at one point “you know you can block if you hold back right?”
And Arvand/Ardaland, dunno where you got Arthur based team lol. I play him ya and he’s just part of it. It’s mainly Arthur/Wesker/Super Skrull right now.
Drew, don’t get me started on FPS. I grew up playing Quake (used to play at an old web cafe downtown during lunchtime when I went to Central), then Quake 2, then 3, then Urban Terror (a Quake 3 mod similar to CS but much, much faster), then 1.6 (which I hated at first, because it was so slow compared to Quake), then CSS. I liked them all because they required precise aim and an acute awareness of your surroundings. FPS these days are fucking pathetic. Regenerating health, a billion perks, crosshairs to help scrubs aim, etc. It’s all about $$$ now, nobody cares about quality.
Here’s a real FPS: [media=youtube]XdkDjsBiO58[/media]
And I meant quality as in gameplay. Graphics don’t mean shit. Ever since I was young, I’ve played with everything set to low to maximize FPS, and I would tweak the command line settings to get even more performance out of our family PC. Only later did I find out that all top players do that. If the gameplay is good, the graphics literally mean nothing. The only thing that matters on PC is really high FPS + a good CRT. I prefer around 200FPS or more. Of course, scrubs will tell you that anything over 60FPS isn’t noticeable, which is complete bullshit since I had a Samsung 997DF when I used to live in Toronto, and I know first hand that using a CRT w/100Hz+ refresh rate and 100+ (minimum) FPS >>>>> 99% of LCD’s.
Unfortunately, I have to agree with Mihai and Drew in that all developers seem to care about nowadays is $$$$. I didn’t notice it when I first played SF (started with SSF4; played Tekken before that but that’s a different story), but after playing previous Capcom games and other older fighters, I realize what true fans of the franchise are complaining about.
Although I don’t like how easy the games have gotten and that the older games were definitely better, I don’t think that should take away from the fact that SSF4 and MvC3 are fun games with a competitive element. Yes, they aren’t as good as the previous ones but I still play them. Why? It’s not because they’re the newest in the line of games, but because they are the ones with the strongest communities. As much as I hate just blindly following the crowd, the competitive community is what makes the genre strong. If you weed out the scrubs, you will still see that the community strongly favors these games. The competition stems not only from the game, but also mainly from the community. I’ll just say, if I could choose what game the SRK community would focus most on, I would probably choose something like CvS2 over SSF4 and MvC3.
Before you argue that I am just new to the SF scene and don’t really understand why the older fighters are loved as much, I just want to add that I am facing a similar dilemma in my own original game community. I have played Starcraft: Brood War for over 3 years and with no doubt, it is my favorite game of all time. I was never really good at it, but I played it competitively (as in I used to strive for improvement). Those of you who truly played it competitively as well cannot argue with me when I say: it was a REALLY FUCKING hard game. Recently though, Starcraft 2 was released, and that game was dogshit in comparison. A brainless BW player should be able to see that it was designed to appeal to scrubs first and competitive players second. Why? Cha-ching $$$$$. I really hate this, however I can’t deny the fact that this has allowed for lots of better organized tournaments to arise. No matter how much I love BW, I can’t argue that SC2 didn’t strengthen the community. Sure the scrubs will drop out eventually, but the community still has never been more organized than it is now. I currently play SC2 mainly because of the strong community. However, if the community of BW was anywhere near as strong as SC2 (outside Korea), I would switch back to that without thinking twice.
I’ll end this post saying this: I have lost all faith in FPS. That genre has gone to hell and doesn’t show any sign of return.
Unlimited, I pretty much agree with everything you said, especially about the community. When I first played SF4, I thought it was garbage. I loaded up training mode, spent a few minutes with Guile, and was basically like “lol”. The more I played it, the more I started liking it (I’ll get to this later). Then when one of my best friends and SF mentor Derian came down to visit me, he played it and thought it was bad as well. Cept I had played the game exclusively for a while, and I tried explaining to him why it’s not that bad, you just gotta play it some more. So the months went by, and I moved back to London. That’s when I first played 3S again, and after playing SF4 for a few months, 3S seemed terrible. I was like wtf is this shit? Feels ancient. How wrong I was though. I continued playing SF4 and tried to get everyone to play the game as well, because like you said, the community had become 99% SF4. I’m not gonna lie and say that I didn’t like 4 for a while, cause I did. But I also LOVED playing CVS1/2/3S/A1/A2/A3 during London’s arcade years. It’s just that 4 has this way of fooling you into thinking it’s a good game…as long as you don’t play the old stuff. And honestly, if you play 4 for a long time, going back to CVS2 or 3S feels messed up. So anyway, time passed, and I had one point during SF4’s lifetime in London where I wanted to quit cause I knew the game was scrubby as hell, but I also had to deal with the fact that SF WAS 4 at that point in time. Everyone was playing it. Anyway…so SSF4 comes out, and I can’t lie, it’s FAR better than vanilla. So I played it enthusiastically, and at this point, since ppl seem to like it even more than vanilla, I’m like OK, we HAVE to get every1 on board with SSF4 cause this isn’t 99% of the community anymore, it’s 100%. Anyway, I played it, enjoyed it, but I started playing the old games more again. And this is when the realization kicked in full force. The more I played the old games, the more SSF4 lost its grip on me. I remembered all the great times I had with the classics, and I realized more and more how scrubby SF4 is. And basically, I’m at the point where I don’t give a shit if the community plays only SSF4/MVC3. I’m gonna play these old games.
Josh, CRT’s are awesome, especially for FPS. Good CRT’s have better image quality, faster refresh rates and 0 input lag. However, there are LCD’s that do the job for gaming nowadays.
Capcom had to make SF4 scrubby because no one cared about Fighting Games.
Also I agree with SC:BW --> SC2 game is crazy easy and imba. At lest when compared to SC:BW, the game is still pretty hard to master and compete at a high level, but no where near as hard as SC:BW. I’ll give blizzard credit tho, as it looks like they are at least trying to fix it…mostly because all the pros hate the game.
Were being a lil TOO hard on shooters though. Like the main stream one is call of duty and even Chris (will’s cousin chris) agreed that today’s are too easy. There all same company so there going to stick with their guns because the mass’s are going to eat it all up. Even the manager of an EB I talk to was laughing how Black Ops was coming out and how its going to the same shit people already own. I’m hoping something like the new Homefront is good since its all based on your own style that determines wut items you get and how you urself fight. Its not just 12 guys running around knifing each other all shooting relatively the same weapon.
I like the Half Life 2 engine, mainly if anything its the first shooter I actually care about (TF2) but if they can make like 5 completely different FPSs all based on one engine, you know there doing something right.
Srry to cut it short but my chicken wings are ready lol
Mihai, the only thing I disagree with you in that post is when you say SF4 gives the impression that it’s a good game. I disagree because I believe it IS a good game. However, this is my personal bias and we can go on debating about what makes a game good or bad (where you would probably have more to say as you have more experience in this). In fact, part of the reason I got into SF through SSF4 is because it was relatively easy to pick up, so I will not argue that it isn’t to some extent a scrub game.
I like how you bring up the point “as long as you don’t play the old stuff” and I completely understand. I have friends who play SC2 without playing BW and automatically think it is the superior game regardless of what I say. I don’t deny that the previous fighters are better than SF4, but I still believe SF4 is a good game. Just because it’s not as good as its predecessor, you can’t say something is bad. Everything is relative really, which is why we think differently towards SF4. You played the previous games so you see it as being a downgrade. I didn’t play them so I don’t see it as being bad at all.
I also understand why you decide to stop playing SSF4 and just stick to the older games. At many points, I considered quitting SC2 and playing BW again but I still have a lot of fun playing SC2 competitively regardless of what I feel towards it.
Yeah but when the community goes from playing the old games to exclusively playing the new ones, it’s not my community anymore. What I mean to say is that it’s not the community I want to be a part of.
4 and the old games are all completely different games. Yeah they are sf, but sf isn’t just some generic term you can label a fighting game with anymore, hell it barely works with the old games once you get down to the nuts and bolts of each title.
The sf community improved a fuckload ever since 4 showed up. I’m not even gonna mention any names cuz the list of people who made shit happen in Canada over the past 2 years would be hella huge but they know who they are.
Thing is though, at what price did these changes take place? Cuz they sure as hell weren’t the only changes. I swear to god SRK has become the SF4 and MVC3 forum website. Honestly I don’t even know why I bother coming here anymore, at least to the regional forums.
It’s not just the games that have changed, but it’s also the attitudes I’m being asked to embrace as well. I’m not going to get into specifics, but let me put it this way. I never experienced the good old arcade days, at least not like the OG players did when they would go to the arcade and they had other players in their sights, and they would play hard, talk shit and there was drama. It was just me by myself playing against the cpu all day for months on end, cuz nobody else played cvs2 anymore. However, even I can tell that this new shit is hella weak. Weak, weak, weak, weak.
lol Drew, I didn’t mean to be too harsh on shooters. I used to play CS 1.6 casually with a bunch of friends a long time ago and the recent popularity of CoD since 4 just ruined my impression of the genre. I know good shooters exist out there but sadly I just can’t see myself playing a first person shooter competitively.
Josh, correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought the reason the “arcade feel” was gone is because of online mode making arcades less popular than they used to be. I know online mode is a terrible substitute for arcades and even though I never played at an arcade, I really wish this wasn’t the case. As for the new peoples’ attitudes and changes in the community, I can also understand that. SC2 has brought a whole bunch of 13 year old immature kids to the SC community who quite frankly, I can’t stand most of the time.
It’s true you can still get the real life interaction with other players at tournaments today, but the majority of the new guys… iono. They’re missing something.
They aren’t strong in the dark side of the force.
As nerdy and cheesy as that sounds, that pretty much sums them up.
Frankly, I don’t think I’m strong in the dark side of the force, hell I’m not even strong in the force period. I guess I should have listened to Yoda and practiced instead of playing dota and hon all day with my friends.
Exactly dude…honestly, I know some ppl are nicer than others, but you can’t even begin to get good at SF if part of you doesn’t want your opponent to die IRL.
To be completely honest, all Capcom has done is open up the game for new players to stand a chance against the traditional seasoned veterans in order to rope more people into the game. It’s fine, all it means is the people who normally are really good at a game have to continue to do so and work harder to close those gaps in their game so they dont’ get exploited by things like Ultra’s and XFactor.
Alot of it is people raging at change. Which in itself is expected. It just sounds like a lot of regular tournament players are peeved that it’s all of a sudden become harder to stay on top.
Is there more that needs to be said?