I’m sorry, I was just trying to discuss. Which is of course pointless with someone who does already know things. But you trapped me by asking a question, I thought you wanted to share a point of view. I misunderstood.
I’m just curious why you said “I don’t see what Rose could envy to Guy in footsies department…” when that’s pretty much a given and then you started talking about Guy isn’t a footsies character when I obviously agree. Fairly unnecessary if you ask me.
Nope, I think he misunderstood something I said.
You’re damn right, man. I took something too literally. Let’s forget it. ^^
So I’ve been having some big issues on the Rufus match up. I’m slowly (way too slow) discovering that Soul Spark sucks mid screen and I don’t have the execution/hit confirm to use it as a block string.
What I mean to ask is how should I approach the Rufus match? I play a far amount of sets with a friend and I don’t know what to do. When it’s neutral, I can footsies to a respectable form until Rufus lands a hard knockdown or a divekick. At that point I’m screwed; I get pushed into the corner easily and I get bullied around until I get lucky to space away to U2 to reset it to neutral. At worst I automatically lose after a knockdown.
Hello everyone,
I just watched the toryuken stream, after the joker blowup, the spam and ban in the chat, and watching the fanatiq stream which was very entertaining. I was witnessing chirithy (dont know the actual name) was blowin it up with cammy making her look like an s tier character. So after that I was thinking what are rose’s real options to defend against that cammy pressure. I came up with nothing since rushdown destroys rose. All I can think of is to ex soul throw on cannon strikes you can predict and focus attack spiral arrow, but thats not really practical. I noticed that there was no cammy matchup posted and surprised also since cammy is like one of roses’s worst matchup possible. So does anyone have their own ways to deal with cammy rushdown, mainly anti-airing, spacing,useful normals, punishes, ultra preference and any ways to get out of the cammy vortex. Thanks.
[S]heh. It’s almost because of me in a way that he knows the matchup so well >_>.[/S]
No he’s far superior than me lmao[S][/S]
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late ex soul throw can be useful against cammy when she’s coming down with a cannon strike at mid range. It also setups you for ambiguous cross ups. To deal with canon strikes you can also stop it the moment she jumps with j.HP
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the thing about cammy is that as long as you are not knocked down and not in corner…the matchup is pretty even. Rose wins the footsie battle and she can be annoying with her max ranged spirals. If you are knocked down I suggest blocking. No reversal attempt unless you clearly see your opponent didn’t do a safe jump, making you being able to catch them with ex soul throw. I really think you should only be blocking because even if you focus backdash, the cammy can U1 on reaction after you focus her jumping attack (j.HK or j.HP, other attacks should be save if you focus backdash)
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I recommand AAing at far with soul piede and st.HP since Cammy’s cannon strike can blow up the rest of Rose’s normals
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Always stay away from cammy’s normals and try to maintain that space. if Cammy’s st.HK can’t reach you, your other normals can reach her. The thing is that at that distance you can’t throw fireballs anymore (EX spiral arrow on reaction). Try to bait her and punish accordingly
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Best normals against cammy. I would say from far: st.HP / Piede | mid range: st.mk / cr.mp / cr.mk | close range: you do not want to be there so just focus backdash and get back to your comfort zone
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for ultra preference I personnally prefer U2 because for now I have a hard time dealing with Cammy’s pressure. Everything that cammy does results in a knockdown so I use this ultra to be able to breathe more and regain my spacing. Also works for mixups against her. But I think U1 would be good too because it shuts down some of her offensive tools and since she has poor health, it can be devastating to be touch by Rose’s Illusion Spark. The trade for this is that you have nothing to deal with Cammy’s mixups other than blocking and focus backdashing accordingly. So for a rushdown cammy, U2 would be better but a more jumpy, cannon strike cammy, U1 would be better maybe ?
^^ all this and another thing to remember against rufus is that when he has no meter: RUSH THAT SHIT DOWN. DESTROY THAT LITTLE PIECE OF /Q"($"%*$"%/"$ UNLESS HE GETS 1 BAR IN A HALF AND THEN slowly backout or start pressing less buttons…
- Also to bait EX messiah you can always do slide to pass under him. (it will hit you but not fully)
- And to not always press cr.HP + cr.LK + cr.LP when rufus is pressuring you because you are susceptible to frame traps (when rufus does st.lk -> st.HP…I wonder if you do c.hp~(c.lp+lk) it will negate the frame trap…
Jump attack os illusion spark beats messiah right?
I’ve been thinking about U2 against rufus lately…wouldn’t it be a good way to force rufus to use his EX bars to blew the orbs off ? meaning he will have less chances to have a reversal ? idk…to me it seems like an alternative way if you are not able to land U1 against rufus. Its true that U1 can capitalize a match rather quickly but U2 also gives you the chances to breath more against him. if he doesnt use EX tornado to blew them off then you can just chip him with fireballs
and I’m thinking about using U1 against chun li again…not being able to do mixups with U2 sucks >_>
Just saw some dirty T Hawk tech first-hand. He aimed the EX Dive at my feet so he hit me, then landed without bouncing off and 360ed me. The match made me realize I have to reevaluate my gameplan vs Hawk.
My normal gameplan involved jumping at the right ranges so i could air to air with HK or HP, but good Hawks use EX dive to deal with this. Any tips on how I should approach this MU?
EDIT: Just read Heavy Mental’s write-up on the MU. Lots of good info I have to work on incorporating into my gameplan. Too bad good Hawk’s are hard to come by.
How does the Rose community feel about the Fuerte matchup?
I run alot of sets against a good one and usually pick Rose for the matchup. I feel like it’s particularly easy to chase him down with her, and you can low profile/backdash alot of his stuff. Plus meaty cl. mk will beat wakeup U2 and even armor cancel U2.
She wins this matchup easily. Soul Throw, U2, and focus backdash pretty much destroys destroys Fuerte. And you should be walking forward against him.
I’ve always thought U1 would be better against fuerte
Fuerte is mad free against U2. Pop it and then walk him into the corner.
just a quick question. i saw a vid of louffy fighting against dieminion and he kept doing cr mp xx soul spiral and dieminion wouldnt do anything after louffy. is this not punishable or something?
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I don’t feel like watching the whole video, but it depends on the range. Give me certain parts and I’ll tell you if it’s punishable.
Also you can attack through it.
at 8:18-8:22 as you can see he keeps on doing cr mp xx soul spiral
Those were good ranges to do it, especially if Dieminion didn’t know you can interrupt the untrue blockstring with Flash kick.
Any advice vs Adon? I had a small set vs our local Adon on Wednesday.
I found that U1 is really good vs Adon for reaction to jaguar kicks and tooths and cr.mk/slide to go under Jag kicks for a throw/cr.mp/sweep