I’m strongly considering using Doom instead of Tron too, now that my blocking has gotten better and I don’t need Tron assist as badly, lol. I find Doom really awkward on point but I think some practice could fix that.
I really like the DHCs/TAC’s I have to Tron though.
Justin.tv - Xanadu Games: SSF4 Live! - Xanadu Games Wednesday Xanbats 1 hour 35 minutes casuals vs. Rugal B’s Mag/Wesker/Sent team
Justin.tv - Xanadu Games: SSF4 Live! - Xanadu Games Wednesday Xanbats 23 minutes in starts tournament match vs. Offstein’s Wesker/Dorm/Phoenix team
Justin.tv - Xanadu Games: SSF4 Live! - Xanadu Games Wednesday Xanbats 1 hour 25 min in starts tournament match vs. Aqua’s Trish/Wesker/Storm team
Some matches I had from the tournament I went to yesterday. Made a lot of random mistakes like using XF combos on a Phoenix team (that i did wrong and dropped any way) and not playing as well vs. the Trish dive kick game as I could have. I didn’t expect to fight a Trish so I wasn’t really prepared to do much other than try to get in on her and then had to respect the dive kick. If I run into a Trish again I’ll definitely employ some anti dive tactics in.
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The HD version isn’t working 100% yet and the video is just generally a bit slow for now, but I’m sure you’ll enjoy it anyway!
Edit: looks like HD is working now. 
Yay My Dormammu is horrible!
I’m changing this, this week.
Well, my Tron is pretty awful too against Dormammus lol. I learned something though, apparently standing H beats Purification and since I can cancel it straight into Bonne Strike that is pretty awesome.
How’s the lag since you guys are playing across the country?
Fun to see nearly the same team go at each other. I feel E2R’s style is a bit more solidly but you both have similar approaches with the charged neck slice and what not. Tron’s assist obviously gets X23 out of a lot of immediate danger and is pretty invaluable for a squishy character like her. You guys should definitely be calling Ammy assist before charging up the neck slice. Projectile assist like that plus charged neck slice is just a big wall of hurt coming at the opponent. c.L tick strings E2R was using is stuff I should employ at close range after beam assist to set up throws also. I hate having my c.L strings get push guarded on cuz most people still spam on advance guard but with a projectile assist backing it up it should make it easier.
I dont get to fight much Dormammu so i usually get pretty torn up by him too but it’s just another one of the matches where you have to get in (well that’s like all of her matches really).
Very little lag actually, we have one of the best online connections I’ve played on.
ETR’s X-23 play is definitely more solid than mine but we’ve both got some tricks up our sleeves. Regarding getting in on Dormammu I realized after watching that I should have used Mirage Feint M more often, I wasn’t mixing up very well on Dormammu at all. Once ETR caught onto my surprise Tron assist call from the sky he was blocking pretty much everything I did with X-23. The command grab would have also been a good idea in a lot of cases.
No offense ETR but I feel like my Ammy might be a little better than yours though - although you play beads a lot better than I do. My glaive was great when I got to use it. IMO, you should finish more combos with Ammy instead of going for the TAC so often!
Also I need to get it in my head that WXP doesn’t punish Chaotic Flame, I don’t even know how much meter I wasted trying to do that lol.
Can I give my two cents on the matches? I didn’t watch the whole thing, only about half hour, but I could definitely make some observations.
ETR’s X-23 pretty damn good but also a bit risky (this might be a matchup thing, though). Having TOD combos, though at the expense of assist utility out of them, is still scary when someone like X-23 is doing them.
As for MoFro… for the love of God, put some pressure! You’ve got Tron, she’s like a landmine, a bomb in Bomberman. You can do a blockstring, call her, get pushblocked and then dive right back in! And some okizeme would be nice, too. One thing I do in the corner, after an OTG Ankle Slice, without a super (or any other knockdown situation, this is pretty common due to how X-23 can carry people from one corner to the other), is call Tron right where I stand and then dash back. If the opponent rolls away from the wall, you’ll be there for a meaty, if they roll towards the wall, Tron will be there and you can dash back in (a M hop will get you right in front of them) and keep the offense going. I’m sure Amaterasu works for this as well. My point is: don’t call her, jump back and then do L Talon Attack. I don’t think that worked once. Next is when an opponent character is coming in. You just let them in! For instance, ETR got some cool setups for when your characters were entering the screen with Amaterasu assist. You can always try the L Talon Attack I mentioned in the other thread, it’s really easy to time and makes hitting the level 3 so much easier, too. Speaking of which, when ETR activated level 3, mash. Get him off of you. The hit of X-23’s has piss poor range (I believe it’s just a regular L attack?), so unless the opposing X-23 tries to combo into that hit, it’s easy to keep her away. It was just weird to see Amaterasu get in, drop half way down, get near the ground and still get hit by the hyper without any resistance. Also another thing about defence: in the air, unless you REALLY need the extra distance, hold back at ALL times. Seeing you getting hit by attacks that were already activated (such as hitting a Chaotic Flame on the way down after dodging it) was also a bit off-putting.
These are my tips, not trying to troll or anything, I hope I don’t offend. Overall, I just think you’re a bit too passive or even inactive. Gotta work more.
I guess the big difference between me and you two is that I base my offence mostly dashing, chicken blocking and only doing Neck Slicer for pressure and other rare moments, and Talon Attack only when I have a good feeling it won’t get countered. But there’s no good and bad offence, only offence that works and offence that doesn’t. If doing this stuff works, keep doing it. But I can see how these styles can have their bad matchups. Well, so has mine.
Oh, and finally, do I have the only X-23 in the world that wall jumps? Its existence was the ONE thing I learned from SRK before I stopped coming here to develop by myself and it really gives some good, safe air mobility for X-23.
Great feedback, Moonless - I totally agree with everything you said and ETR had a lot of the same advice. A lot of the times I was in air and getting hit with stuff, with Ammy specifically, was because ETR used a super right as I was doing a two-button air dash so the buttons came out during the flash and I got slammed for it. Is there any way to avoid that problem? It caught me a lot.
I have a lot of great okizeme setups but wasn’t using them for whatever reason, I can’t even explain. I guess I just don’t have enough practice doing them against good opponents - against lesser opponents I play a lot more aggressively because I’m not afraid of what they might do. ETR was pretty consistently beating out my X-23 with his and for a while I just got kinda mind-fucked and just didn’t do smart things, and was afraid to put on pressure because I was being beat out. I lost in a lot of “0-frame” situations and that was really frustrating, I don’t know if I just need to learn how to mash better or what, but mashing is something I almost never do even when it would work.
Also I use wall jumps every now and then but it’s one of those things I will forget for a whole half hour and then be like “oh yeah!” and start using it again lol
And yeah Dirt Nap is just L attacks (you can see it if you do a Wesker/Taskmaster counter super and try to hit them with it) and the moment that happened I was just shaking my head “man I should have just smashed on H when I came in” lol
It sounds like we should play a set sometime 
If playing someone across an entire ocean doesn’t bother you, sure.
Okay, I’ll try and reply to everything I wanted to here, but I always seem to lose my train of thought, lol.
“No offense ETR but I feel like my Ammy might be a little better than yours though - although you play beads a lot better than I do. My glaive was great when I got to use it. IMO, you should finish more combos with Ammy instead of going for the TAC so often!”
This I don’t doubt, my friend. I spend about 80% of my training mode and setups on X-23 in the beginning, and as of the past few days I’ve been primarily focusing on Ammy on point. The Ammy air dash + X-23 Ankle Slicer is one of the best unblockable (and a potential crossup) setups in the game in my opinion. Coupled with Ammy’s massively good frame data, and that X-23 is so low sometimes she can’t be seen on the ground… so I’m putting Ammy out in front for my matches as of late to compensate for my little lack in Ammy setups. I can play the character, but not as a point character, you know?
As for the TAC… Think of it this way: I have a 66% chance of killing your character on a successful TAC, or… I can hit you down, throw out X-23 assist into Okami shuffle and get about 150k more damage. I like my odds there, and I can get some meter too!
“ETR’s X-23 pretty damn good but also a bit risky (this might be a matchup thing, though). Having TOD combos, though at the expense of assist utility out of them, is still scary when someone like X-23 is doing them.”
Thank you for the compliment! I really like to play her like a madman. You don’t see it a lot here (because I have to respect MoFro’s use of Tron assist) but often times if my opponent wants to go in the air I’ll charge an L talon with an assist, and try and catch a non-block, or manage the sick crossup that randomly occurs at the right distance. That’s how I managed to beat Maximilian this Wednesday (Which I didn’t deserve to win, but if you can’t see her charging the move and you press a button as she’s coming at you it’s over) and it’s a source of a good amount of damage for me. There were a lot of times where I stopped hit confirming shorts, I’m not sure why I just went for ABC launcher (I blame laziness. :D), but i promise it’s normally not that bad haha.
I really think X-23 has the privilege of being able to make herself unsafe at times, because often times her moves are safe. I think once you get your opponent in the position where they have to pushblock, and pushblock, and get X-23 off of you without managing to do anything in response, is where you can start being unsafe. I do like your concept of the L Talon when your opponent is coming in, I’m still weighing it against an air ABC into L Talon (Which beats most buttons I’ve noticed) to see which one I prefer. I still think it’s a sexy idea.
I try and wall jump, but for some reason I don’t realize I need to hold up and away from the wall. Idk. I think a lot of people don’t play as well online compared to offline. I don’t like online Marvel, but it’s still practice.
And my Silent Kill setups are all experimental right now. I’m sure I can just do ABCS when they come in… but I’m trying to see how I can use my assists to make it more reliable. That and sometimes I try and time the S when they come in too. Needless to say, I don’t spend too much time in a situational setup.
Wall jump is solid but I’ve been coming up with so many ways to get in lately that like wall jump is starting to become more so there for certain random situations. Like if you’re mid screen and someone is trying to rush you down you can use the wall jump to cross them up if you’re near the mid screen “wall”. If you’re in the corner you can use it to get out of the corner and reversal L talon attack or talon dive on top to cross them up and put them in the corner.
Hah, I do this too. If I do a low move and it connects, I just do the magic series, even though I’m trying to overcome that habit. Well, at least you have assists that pick people back up after her OTG, so everything’s good for you.
The thing about it is that it’s really easy to time. Just super jump, L talon and bam, they’re on the ground. I believe it’s completely unavoidable in the corner. I’m not sure if I can say the same about midscreen, though. Characters seem to already be well in the air by the time the attack connects.
It’s also good against characters with only ground projectiles, being able to very safely get around them and going farther than a regular jump, but yes, I think that is one of the best uses for it. As a matter of fact, I just came from playing a long set against a Wolverine where I did just this to him. Jump back, wall jump, down H. He had a really hard time blocking this.
In order to meaty an incoming character with L talon attack mid screen you most likely need some type of vertical lockdown assist like Dante Jam Session. Otherwise you run the risk of them being able to air throw the start up if you time it wrong or having it whiff.
They wouldn’t be able to air throw, the attack is meant to already be coming down. At most, at midscreen they may be able to Hard Drive out or something, assuming they have amazing timing. In the corner, you’re essentially shaving the screen border with a big ass hitbox. There’s no time to do anything, because the moment they’re in, they have to be blocking because they’re already being hit.
Did a X-men themed combo video that covers a couple of x-23 combos as well
Usually I throw Ammy in front and keep them locked for a mixup, the timing isn’t that hard so I really haven’t run into an air throw issue.
Also, after testing I do like naked Talon dive in most situations, There are exceptions though.
Finally managed to record some match vids of my crappy X-23 who dies every 5 mins lol. Feel free to criticize.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GjRxSkUqds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qd0v0Grx6U&feature=channel_video_title
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