Well I mean you say this stuff about X23 not having scary stuff but nothing Wolverine has is really that scary either. It’s nothing most other characters in the game can’t do and he has more trouble getting in than X23 does. Right now Wolverine is still gimmicking people with berserker slash stuff but once that and the dive kick gets figured out he’s gonna be struggling for wins IMO. Wesker is easily a whole nother level of scary compared to Wolverine. Not that Wolverine isn’t good…but yeah. X23 has a lot more to her that will end up being viable for tourney play in the future. Like the fact that people still have no idea how to use her command grab 2 months in is pretty funny but ima post some vids up on that soon also.
I personally don’t use mfc much only in block strings really
But that’s because right now that’s the only useful application I can use it in.
I know nothing about wolvie really but does he gain meter as well as x does?
I know that’s just one thing but its important for me
Also with x-23 if I touch the opponent its almost a given they’ll end up in the corner, if not dead.
Does wolvie have the ability to push them to the corner like x?
These may not be character changing abilities they matter some no?
wolverine is disgusting atm coz alot of people still dont know how to deal with him properly, plus his damage is really gross seeing how dirt easy his combo(s) are, if he touches you its 640k+ loss guaranteed.
x-23 definitely looks like she’ll be the more viable character in the long run, lots of people arent seeing that now though coz all the x-23’s out there are still doing the same day 1 shit into OTG xx rage trigger =|
soon though I’ll be able to control my tourney jitters and wont drop my x-23 combos in a tournament to show people what x-23 is capable of >_<
I’m not really trying 2 force my ideas upon u or anything ( i don’t want ppl dropping the character cuz of what i’m saying) but for the sake of info on the x-23 vs wolverine match-up i’ll talk a lil about what wolverine can do 2 get in where x-23 falls short. 4 EX: Wolverine mix up on a dash cr.A -2 if on block/ st.A -1 if on block
1)cancel into bersker slash which is a 50/50 mix-up same timing for cross up or non-cross up. If u call assist when wolverine does cross-up both u can ur assist r at risk of being combo’ed cuz wolverine goes invincible frame 5-12 so ur assist will whiff. Even if u block wolverine does berserker charge n now wolverine is safe n u have a hyper mode cracked out wolverine in ur face for more mix up. if u advance guarded then u better still be block cuz wolverine is just gonna come with a C bersrker slash for cross-up or M berseker slash non cross-up which is gonna be canceled.
2)cr.A x2 (call assist on first cr.A) jump instant air A into cross up E <-- this means u have 2 block low>high >block cross-up. If the wolverine player notices ur still blocking he can throw in a bersker slash or on the instant air A follow up with drill claw.
I don’t think this mix-up will get old anytime soon… N yes X-23 does have a harder time getting in than wolverine…something tells me u don’t play wolverine or u at least didn’t play him for long dude can dive kick os crap all day n if u called n assist lmfao better hope tron is on ur team. If u playng keep away a well timed berserker slash gets u in and may even cross up >bersrker charge guess whos safe n can hit confirm into 70-80pct damage combo :D. Don’t get me wrong i know wesker is America’s favorite n its y i’m doing my x-23 homework cuz i don’t wanna drop her for wesker, n u play wesker u know dam well he pulls in the easy mode wins that x-23 would dream of. I fully understand/love hard characters that make u think. Like i said i played gen very well at my prime just wasn’t enuff thou cuz i also hated ssf4… Placed top 8 in all my tournaments didn’t go to many but the major i went to final round 2010 placed in the 60s out of 315+ ppl i was 1 match away from top 30 :wasted: X-23 as decent stuff but not wolverine lol this game is so easy 2 play stuff. like i use a lil 50/50 frame advantage stuff like cr.A x2 (hit confirm)> C>
block: option 1) command grab. option 2)C mirage feint(overhead jump one) >d+C A talon (this can be done fast 2 take advantage of counter hit or delay for left/right cross-up
to iinara i will just say have 2 say yes 2 all u asked n even if wolverine doesn’t corner u he will most likely still kill u cuz he does have a berserker barrage loop which can lead into nasty mix-up(this will always corner u) or just normal bnb into wake up mix-up either way= easy mode dead character.
This is kinda lame no one is answering my questions i’m asking:block string into unblockable,dash in set-ups with low assist that don’t get blown up due 2 being slow… Homie didn’t even post the input 2 the Get 3 coffins rdy vid 
Once again my bad if this makes anyone not wanna play x-23 just saying there as 2 be more to her cuz she got low hp for a reason…right?..YEA we’ll get there
Yeah I mean that’s all good and everything but you have to realize this is a 3 on 3 game. Even if X23’s potential somehow (as if) never reaches whatever easy shit Wolverine is doing right now the game pretty much sets you up to win as long as you have other strong characters on your team. The first character on your team is pretty expendable any ways since they’re pretty likely going to die no matter what since if the first two dont get them…dumb ass XF3 is going to.
Wolverine is pretty much designed to be the Rufus of the game. Gets a lot for not much but as the game gets figured out he’ll slowly get figured out as well. Wesker is much more capable of being a character that will just ruin people’s lives forever than Wolverine. Whatever Wolverine can do to get in X23 can pretty much do just as well and has more avenues to get in. Most Wolverines just try to get in with the invincible H Berserker Slash shit but that will get figured out eventually IMO.
Congrats to tatsu for 2nd place in 2 tournaments but mainly for that performance last night in WNF wit x-23. Tatsu useed x-23 in the manner that i was speaking of which is running around looking for ur opp 2 get hit by assist or get reckless while chasing u; for tatsu getting reckless was them s.jumping after him which he then put ppl in a mix-up of ground E or jump df+C OS (option select) grab. I can’t leave out those corner mix-ups n those well placed footies: cr.B, st.B, A/B neck slicer that hit 2 ppl which lead 2 so those 3 perfects. GG Tatsu sorry 4 putting ur tactics out there but hey its not what u know about the character its how u use the character GGS.
Especially in a game like this it really doesn’t matter how good your characters are when they all die to like one or one and a half combos any way. If you know how to react and force people into situations you’re going to have a good chance of winning no matter who you use. That’s really what I’m trying to work on is how to play her in a more fundamental manner then using all the techniques I’m figuring out to make her that much scarier. My main problem is trying to hit people with s.M but being just out of range and what not. With more play I’m sure I’ll get it down the way Tatsu has.
People just need to worry more about making their characters work than worry about what is already good or better.
The one thing I’m immediately noticing from watching his vid is that he does a lot of H talon attack which I feel after watching is arguably a better move to get around the screen than the M talon attack that everyone else is using. M talon attack doesn’t really give you a good angle to attack the opponent unless you force them to block it in mid air. H talon attack gets you further across the screen faster and buys X23 more time to amount an offense later. Combined with the wall jump it should give X23 more than enough to move around and eventually find a good spot to mount an offense.
Tbh the only thing i didn’t dig from tatsu’s x-23 play was he didn’t land lvl 3 as much as he should have. Like for me i would go into lvl 3 while super screen freeze i check meter (don’t wanna run into random super) then instant air talon 2 my opp once it hits/blocked E. This hits ppl trying 2 s.jump away or jump back call assists etc plus they can’t see u so this makes 4 ex: instant air talon L/M/H( orA,B, C w/e u wanna call it in this game) d+H that more dangerous. The L ground slicer is pretty useful also when ur opp doesn’t have meter, u’ll be surprised how low it goes.
Once again just in-case anyone knows any info on X-23 with assist of hulk please let me know. I been trying 2 land weapon x prime with hulk’s otg assist ([media=youtube]khkAlzj4XiQ[/media]) but failing super hardcore; is it corner only or do i need 2 hit with my otg 1 or 3 times let a brother know. If anyone found a way 2 dhc glitch from x-23 to hulk etc.
I’m not sure if this counts but after weapon x prime dhc > hulk gamma quake (read it was a speical state super n helps hulk dhc glitch after tron’s super from this vid [media=youtube]eNUnGq1LiqM&feature=related[/media] )>gamma charge anti air H>H 2ND> (Land) cr.H> E. Now this is where i think to myself this might not be the dhc glitch cuz i’m not able 2 pull off M>M>H >E; right be4 the E hits the opp pops out. Now i know i can cut i short just M>H>E land gamma charge super but like its not really the dhc glitch is it? Asking so i can have more than one mind on this topic cuz maybe it is and i’m not looing at the damage right…I’m kinda just trying to make x-23 dhc glitch work with hulk n tried of trying this out solowhen i know there must be others who use the same 2 characters.
Reggie you were at the B&B tourney in Marietta right? I knew I recognized that name from somewhere. I was the other guy using X-23. lol
I definitely gotta watch WNF now, it’s bout time a X-23 player placed.
Yea sup pimpin, i know u saw me repping dat hulk/x-23//sent super hard i’m pretty sure but i choked against Godlike n Red cuz i swear when u play a REALLY REALLY GOOD DANTE u kinda mind fucked at first like hold up that axe handle is plus 25 frames on block n can’t be hit… N homie i placed 4t i think she as been in there for a lil min but i guess if ur talkin top 3 in i feel ya.
Dj good looking out wit that link 2 ur vids
Yeah, ATL Red had a pretty good Dante, but I think people are gonna figure Dante out soon. Will you be back for the next tourney? I think it’s next week? Idk for sure
Dante is a very footsies based character because his air normals take up god awful long amounts of the screen. I was messing around in training mode though and it does seem you can anti air him with crouch normals and what not once you get close enough to him. Like people have mentioned before he doesn’t really have much of a mix up without a low hitting assist or he just has to hope you’re sleeping on his teleport. His main strength seems to be high damage bnbs and placing his swords at a range that is very difficult to outpoke. Once you get in on Dante his slow start up on his normals are easier to counter hit and blow up.
After watching those Tatsu fights I really like some of the things he was doing. Turning things that most people typically just do super after like charged ankle slice into mix ups by M feinting around the person after they roll back up from getting hit. Using the Sent drones after his bnb as kind of a lockdown to set up more mix ups was really interesting also. Unfortunately the Sent drones assist ended up being a huge liability for him as he would call the assist to try and protect X23 and start an offense. Unfortuantely by the time the drones came out Magneto was already crashing in with his 10 moar years shit and killed both characters. The drones assist are good when set up in a good spot but all it takes is one bad drone assist call and you lose 2 characters. That’s why with Doom I prefer Doom beam over hidden missles…one bad hidden missles is easily death with that long recovery. If his Sentinel didn’t always end up getting caught up in double character Magneto combos that built 3 meters for Magneto and killed off 2 of Tatsu’s 3 characters he would have probably had a decent shot to even beat Marn.
Overall though very brave performance from Tatsu using a unique team. Anyone who says the game doesn’t have character variety really needs to look at these streams more often. I think the character variety in tournaments is great and will stay great due to how everyone was made to have powerful tools and not watered down for the sake of a forced balance. I hope the game stays that way and they dont nerf people to shit.
**BTW I’m going to update my X23 tutorial play list **with some stuff I found out about her neck slice and utilizing MFC to make her c.M much safer to throw out.
A tip of the hat to Tatsu for placing 2nd with little Laura at Wednesday Night Fights.
Can I just point out this right here:
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/8962/x23salt.png
The SALTIEST I’ve ever seen Jago, refusing to shake Tatsu’s hand after Tatsu almost double perfected him with X-23. HILARIOUS.
To be fair, if someone did that to me, I’d probably want to spit in their eyeball. I’d still shake their hand though LOL.
Aw damn didn’t even know he fought Jago earlier. If he perfected Jago (who’s definitely no slouch at the game) then ima look back and watch. Jago’s one of the most respectable top players in the scene so I’m sure he got over it.
I probably need to get me a Hori now cuz that’s obviously the secret to beasting with 23.
Another problem I was having with 23 was I was having trouble finding the best normal to bnb with. s.M seemed pretty good but I like how c.M hits low and going into c.H off of it sets up a juggle state so you can launch them easily afterwards. c.H when MFC’d probably gives the same plus 12 adv on block any way.
Some tournament and casual matches I had at Xanadu yesterday.
http://www.justin.tv/xanadugames/b/284649302 (Promethius using Wesker/Dorm/Sent vs. myself)
im so glad Tatsu beat salty mc salterton. Those perfects were glorious to watch. He was catching assists like crazy last night.
01:48:00 for the first fight
DJ I’m not sure what you were using to follow up air D+H but I recommend st.M… it looked like you were using something else, especially when you caught Sentinel assist and Wesker knocked you out of what you were doing right away.
Edit: Damn your combo at 11:30 in the second link was fuckin sexy - I didn’t think that’d work. Is that corner only? Wonder why he snapped in X-23, he did you a favor lol