I give suggestions and I get this man’s salt thrown at me. Good shit yeb. 
Come on now, lads, we’ve all had a drink…
Sometimes knowing what to do in a match-up just isn’t enough. Sometimes you face someone who is just better than you. Some of us more than others, unfortunately…
Yeah, your suggestion was pretty much an excuse to bash me. Very helpful and all, thanks for that, it’s been a while.
Seriously though, does anyone have actual advice for dealing with a Dhalsim that isn’t making major mistakes?
Lets all get along gentleman. We’re old and need our meds and the nurse isn’t going to be here for a few hours.
But I’m sorry Yeb, I havn’t played a good Sim in a while now. I have alzheimer’s when it comes to the Sim matchup. I had the same problom you had when I played Filipino Champ before.
Heh… admittingly I like to be hard on you not only cause it’s fun but because you deserve it for being a good player… but bashing? Nah. I wouldn’t bash someone I respect, or anybody for that matter. No homo for the “hard on you” and “bashing” parts.
Most of the time you usually respond to my posts negatively and to be honest it seemed you did the same with Tom’s (whether you were 100% correct or not is beside the point), so I thought I’d see where I could go with it. 
I’m serious though and I really believe what I’m saying is what your game is missing.
… But hey I guess if you want a real gen players advice, just get in touch with RawwStewage. He owns me FRAY! :lol:
There are some really good dhalsim’s where I live, but I fail horribly against them. Would like to know some tricks this matchup, as of right now, I just do all I can to stay out of the “dhalsim sweet spot” and I do fake ogas, maybe parry glitch a fireball into crane jumpin, or fake alot of ogas waiting for him to do anything besides just fireball, slide, jump whatever, and then just try to attack and get some dmg. I have no idea to do this match lol, after I played the dhalsims that are really good off line, I realised how badly I did in the matchup. getting slowly better tho, but thats really more against the dudes playing dhalsim rather the char DH himself if you know what I mean. I tried to follow what the matchup said here lol, “just go nuts!” and I got raped.
The only thing ive felt that seems good in this matchup is to stay out of the perfect range for Dh, either you’re in range for mk or you’re fullscreen, that and stay patient so you dont pay 90% hp to get close to him. I know that I really shouldnt speak of this matchup, but the thing that works out the best for me is to either stay in range where you can do dmg, or where he cant. but no player plays the same, so I just go through the trial and error testing in the safest way possible to see how he reacts to different things.
Get a life lead and sit in your corner. Jump over his fireballs. Punish the TP that he will eventually use to get close. Sit in the corner the whole round if you need to. What can he do at extreme range? Even if he builds meter he still needs to get close to you for his super. It’s a dumb match that needs to be played lame as fuck.
That’s my top tier advice
Who the hell needs an excuse to bash you…shiiit id do it just cuz its like your gamin style …FREE:bgrin:
but seriously you need to take constructive criticism better. You win because you scare WC trash players with gen, but when you run into a WC player that just dont give a fuck about what gen can or cant do, you get trapped and trampled. Id say on a scale of 1 ta 10 your ability to adjust and react appropriately is at a solid 2!
In any case there is no WIN to your situation, Sf4 is trash, your area is trash at that trash, and you get trashed by the trash that lives in trash and plays with trash…thats ALOT OF FUCKIN TRASH lol.
Damn i miss talkin shit up here. Thanx for makin my day better
Hmm just did some testing to try and deal with the teleport out of the corner. If you do a safe jump in with the a hard punch and delay the mp hit confirm as much as you can with it still being comboable, it’ll hit him when he comes out of the teleport and you can go on to bnb as it’s a close st.mp. The only problem with this is that it takes him out of the corner, but it puts him into untechable knockdown+300 or so damage depending on meter.
I’ll be playing a lot of theory fighter in the next paragraphs as i don’t really have much experience in the match up, and i didn’t fare any better when i played champ @ fuddruckers. But you might try countering his limbs with st.hp every once in a while. Champ was throwing out a lot of light fast attacks to keep you from getting in and you weren’t giving him any reason not to. FYI his crouching jab only does 15 dmg. So one st.hp=3-6 light attacks. You can think of the Hp much in the way you wrote about in your rufus match-up write-up. Dhalsim doesn’t care about your mk because everything else is longer. So instead go for the active frames and counter the limbs.
Also i’ll re literate, Hpxxsuper combos full screen, you can use it much like jibbo does [media=youtube]Mq5Tlv50-I0"[/media] except more usefull because you can control space better since it works on more of the screen and dhalsim has less life. Tack an ultra on after that and you’ve got ~650dmg+untechable knockdown.
Also, everybody knows about the kara focus right?
Yeb dammit hit continue!!!
Yeb, you are the fugging man! Straight up. People hate when you are doing well, thats just how it is in life. That Dhalsim is crazy good, and after watching it, it seemed like your best tool was that full super. My favorite move in SF4 is probably an oga to waterfall kick just cause I love juggling people and making them just feel useless at their controller. That Dhalsim just seemed to comfortable in the air as well you could have maybe used Crane s.lp and just spamming it if he is spamming that bullshit yoga punch. Definately could have done some fake ogas to make him waste his ultras/supers cause you def had some bad luck with those.
This game is not trash, this is seriously the best fighting game to come out in so damn long. SS4 is going to be so cool. I can’t wait to try out some new characters and see how my gen play relates to them. You know Im gonna be falling back on my man Gen and juggling people as best as I can all day.
Yeb I love that new BnB combo with MK hands to sweep. I want to see what you can do with Gekiro, honestly that move gets overlooked.
advice to yeb
yeb, honestly the sim matchup makes parts of my soul fall off. But, my best tatic is to confuse them with wall dive mix ups and when they’re waiting for the next one you rush up and sweep. Sim players and very patient and will wait for days. chip them with wall dives and sit back. I can admit you are a much better gen, but if you want advice on the match up thats the best i can give you.
This is not directed towards Jibbo or Yeb.
I figured you guys may have just had a hard time seeing this seeing as how it wasn’t posted by Yeb or Jibbo, so I went and reposted it and made it all bold and stuff. That should help.
Well, I never actually said “random” ultra haha. I did say throw it out there, but I suppose in reaction to his limbs. Now obviously, doing and ultra on reaction to his limbs is terribly hard but it’s more of a calculated guess off of pattern’s you might pick up on. I laughed because that is a pretty good punish, but still, if there’s not really much else working out for you and you’re full screen ~ I vote ultra!
I like mid-range because I hate being full screen and face to face. Close up/face to face he spams his 3-frame b.lk. I’ve had a lot of success with counter hitting with s.hp at mid-range. Like the ultra I mentioned, it’s somewhat random and it’s just me guessing if he’s going to throw a limb out.
When I said, empty jump to him, I didn’t really mean while you both neutral. I meant when he’s throwing a FB or st.hp. If you want to get sim with a jumping attack, then yea, you’re going to get AA’d in some way. But what I was saying was to jump at a distance where you’ll land in front of him out of b.hk range. If you jump during a FB or st.HP he wont’ have the time to AA you with anything else because you’ll already be on the ground about MK or Sweep range.
I did re-watch the videos after I posted my thoughts and saw you did do lp reset cross up MK which was what I was talking about. So my mistake for mentioning that even though you were already doing it! This sort of brings me back to the who mid-sweep-range tactic. When you push him back into the corner with MK~hands (blocked or not) that’s where I start trying to counter hit his st.lks and b.mks again. Just having him in the corner at that mid-range is where I feel like I’m most comfortable with the match.
I did see the empty jump into short was blocked and it does rarely work for me haha, but it’s still an option. It does make things a lot harder when players can tech competently… and I guess I don’t have much more to say about that.
I honestly just noticed towards the end of the second video, he starts back dashing a lot when you got a jump in or something (I’d have to watch again, sorry). Granted, he didn’t back-dash a lot and there weren’t that many opportunities where he’d want to, but there were times. And aren’t option-selects for those moments where he may or may not backdash?
I just want to clarify, I hope you don’t think that I feel like I’m better than you and that I think my advice on the sim match up is the best advice and only thing we should be doing. I was just giving my two cents and you seem to have dismissed most of my suggestions. That’s fine since you gave some valid points to ‘counter’ what I said but I wouldn’t 100% rule them out as stupid ideas.
There’s too much hostility over petty things IMO, which is why I hate politics 
I think its great to analyse matches like these because it will be really useful matchup info, but I have some question, thats probably noobish questions to u guys, but I r n00b =/
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I noticed what asiantom said about putting the ultra out there, would that work at his “sweet range” where he spams s. lk(think thats what he’s using dunno) because if he spams those it shouldnt be to hard to ultra it, but would it hit? or would he recover in time?
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I read something about a s. fierce on his limbs and buffer into super, and that it works full screen, I tried it in training mode, but I couldnt get it working :s only got it once ever, and that was when I misread something and thought it was against jumping fierce, but he just went into jugglestate so
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can you do ultra when he does instant teleport? Ive done it once, but it was crane ultra. and im not sure if it was the dhalsim that I played that fucked up instant teleport or not.
Please dont hate me for beeing a noob =( I feel so small with all the gen Masters around here =(
I hate politics too, but it seems to inevitably to go along with the information sharing. People’s egos just tend to be imbedded with what they know, as if it defines them as a person – rather than what they seek to know. Everyone is probably guilty of this at some point. It can’t be helped and I’ve learned to accept that, embrace it and use it.
From my experiences, I got waxed by Ryry’s sim whenever I went all out offense. That was my theory at first glance, and it was working because sims at the time couldn’t keep up. But as information and familiarity with the matchup came around, I had to develop a new strategy.
Sim can’t do anything to you as long as you are not trying to do something to him (blocking/focusing). What I really wanted this statement to point and implicate is that as long as you are approach him, you are at his mercy. It’s almost imperitive that you do regroup at certain point, because there is a method to the dhalsim madness. If you hang back and observe what he’s doing you can discover his train of thought much better than constantly trying to force in advancing. Not only that, but by turtling you change the pace of the match.
Also I like to focus back dash a limb to help build an ultra. From there I’ll just hang back from full screen, maybe build meter with hands if he whiffs something out and can’t punish the recovery. I’m in no hurry. You definitly have to read dhalsim though and hit him hard when you have the oppurtunity. Pretty much you want him dead whenever you knock him down, and it’s very possible with Gen’s mixup potential. Mk FADC > hands on block or hit is good as well for creating that chance.
Oh and you have to react to what you absorb when you focus and be aware if what level of focus you are at at the time. If you see it’s a stand fierce and you hit it early in your focus charging, dash up and watch what he does from there or throw out mk > hands depending on the distance. If you see it’s punishable with the time it takes to charge level 2, let it rip. Sometimes it’s good to just focus and backdash when you’re unsure of the situation.
Something funny I pull every now and then… I’ll guess when he’s gonna stand fierce and I sweep it from full screen. The timing isn’t reactionary at all but it’s there.
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I’ve tried!! But the s.lk is too quick. So he can throw it out there as much as he wants and still be able to block. Our ultra start up doesn’t help either :[
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I remember reading about that somewhere, I’ve never tried it. Personally, I find it really hard to hit any limbs from full screen with st.fierce. I just get beat by his pokes.
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I’m pretty sure you can if we’re thinking about the same thing.
I tried that sweep thing because I saw you doing it on a stream or something. I have never hit it yet. Good post though, good mindset to have in the match I think, patience!
Thanks asiantom 
on 3. “if we’re thinking about the same thing” im talking about when he like shoots fireballs to setup bnb with instant teleport. but im pretty sure it works if he like jumps and waits to do the teleport.(you know, like the noobish slow ass teleport bad dhalsims do all the time) but no good dhalsim does that really, in the same way the we gens dont spam crane c.hk (on ground not aa) or ogas, because you get punished
oh and on 1. what about super? strong at middle range? (I say strong so you dont get the trade)
the sweep against fierce is funny xD ive hit that some times, just randomness tho, not like I tried it, just did random attacks really to trade/knockdown a dhalsim I played.
I dont know too much about Toms style of play other than what i saw and helped him with at NEC, but from what Jibbo and i have discussed about that match up, jibbo is 100% correct, and your video proves it yeb. You trying to force anything on sim is just gonna get you wrecked. That match has to be almost 100% reaction on your part. Even if sim has super and ultra he cant actually do anything with it, he has no easy way to combo it, his mix ups are slow and easy to see, and ex canceling shit isnt really worth it on a grand scale. Sim NEEEDS you to move to fuck wit you. Ive NEVER lost to ryrys sim, and its a pretty solid one at that. You need to learn patience to win that match up. You have to walk him down and force him to do something stupid i.e. tele or jump. Standing MP is REALLY good in that match believe it or not, it tags alot of shit. EVERY match in this damn game is so fuckin easy GAH this game fuckin sucks i cant discuss it anymore. Bottom line, Yeb Block Block, poke, Block some more and play the stupid game the way its designed to be played…TURTLE STYLE.
Hooray analysis.
I wouldn’t expect a Dhalsim to do a wakeup teleport in the corner, really. It’s safer for him to just block and wait for a better opportunity, especially considering air teleports cause him to eat jabs rather than combos.
I understand what you mean about the s.HP though, I wasn’t thinking of it that way. I guess I’ll just have to experiment with it myself to see how it well works. I wish he was actually using c.LP though, that would have been much less painful.
It’s hard to tell in the video, but I think I remember looking for a chance to hit his s.HP with my own s.HP xx super. However, he seemed to recognize that I was standing at the perfect distance to punish whiffs so he didn’t cooperate, and I didn’t bother looking for it after that. Going for other random buffers into super might work depending on hitboxes, though. s.MP has the most super-cancelable active frames, and c.MP can probably avoid some of his kicks at least. s.LK xx HP super might even work.
Another move that might be fun to try is… crane c.LK. Lots of active frames, much safer than the real sweep, and trades would still be worthwhile since it lets you get in.
Gen’s standard FA is so good that his kara FA never seemed useful to me.
Sorry if I seemed dismissive, it just felt like I was already doing most of what you were suggesting.
The entire problem I was having in the match is that he wasn’t doing a lot of slow fireballs/standing fierces, so I never really had the opportunity to jump. He was always using moves that recovered fast enough so he could still AA me. Also, you don’t even have to try to hit Dhalsim for him to anti-air you - if you jump forward from anywhere, even full screen, he can just AA you with his far s.MK/HK. You can beat those with a j.MK, but if you whiff that, you could land on a s.HP instead. My problems went way beyond the b+HK.
As for option selects, the most common situation to use o-s sweeps is after a knockdown and jumping in. He really wasn’t backdashing much on wakeup though, he was backdashing when we were both standing. It’s technically possible to use a more complicated option select involving chained light attacks against those, but Gen gets terrible damage off his jabs normally. For it to be useful, you’d have to do something ridiculous like: Jab, jab/o-s sweep, 1 frame link into far s.MP xx Hands. Or maybe some complicated jab, jab/o-s sweep, hands FADC combo. That kind of stuff frightens me.
Sometimes I wonder why I ever had any respect for you. Then you stop trolling me and I remember.
Building ultra at first sounds interesting. I was more concerned with Dhalsim building super meter, but I wonder how much meter Dhalsim would build in the process if I just kept focus-backdashing until I had the ultra ready. What could he do to make me lose the gray health, teleport up to me? Maybe it’s crazy, but it could be worthwhile if it shuts down his sniping before I even start, basically.
And yeah, dashing through the wrong limbs was a major mistake I was making. I’m pretty sure it’s possible to dash through even his s.shorts and recover in time to block, but it’s so difficult that it isn’t a good idea. I thought Gen’s offense was good enough that he could just rush in on Dhalsim, but those matches were a much-needed reality check.
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SSFIV Gen vid. The hell is that jump. Liked what they did to Gekiro.