get rid of running bear grab… seriously. just make him whiff if he’s not in range. or it should instant k.o. if i ever land it on an non crumple, non dizzy opponent.
yeah, sometimes I thought it makes Gief look hella gay on the run. Damn that useless RBG.
Funny thing is I laugh every single time I actually grab someone with it. . and from a distance too! just need the HRD speed (the wtf was that shit?!)
I main Cammy and use Bison as a backup, and while I wouldn’t nerf gief but I wouldn’t mind seeing him tweaked on the lariat. My idea may or may not be the best so just gonna throw it out there.
-no longer able to hit low attacks or crouched players
+whichever version of the move that gives you the small movement forward while you do it has its movement range increased a bit, plus a bit more invulnerability to fireballs only
The idea behind this is to possibly help gief against the likes of Akuma/Ryu/Sagat and at the same time tweak the move so that the rest of the cast isn’t hosed. In my mind lariat should be used for the primary purpose of closing with fireball spammers or punishing a jump in. Adding more movement forward while keeping some invulnerability to the fireballs would allow gief to crawl forward, perhaps into range to do some damage.
Anyways just an idea.
You, sir, are absolutely right about that.
Werd!!! I like your idea. . .
Man Geif is fine, he doesn’t need anything. If anything it’s what he doesn’t need.
I’m not a omfg imba Lariat hater, however I do very much so disagree with it being able to hit you 4 or more times on block. I don’t see any reason why a move, an anti air at that should be so safe. If your fighting a ken or ryu or sagat mashing SRK’s, they get punished for it. And they should, as should anyone doing nothing but lariats. I’m fine loosing to geifs that actually know what their doing. Actually use pokes and zone and mix ups. You know who you are. And props for you not being an utter failure “lolz i mash ppp all dayz and winzzz!!!”
I’d really like to see those geifs back in G2 where they belong. It’s really annoying, and I don’t generally lose to them, but it’s not fun to me, how safe I still have to play it to someone rotating the pad/stick around while mashing(probably set to one button at that) PPP.
Oh and PS: Honda’s Ultra vs Geifs Lariat. If thats not evidence enough then I don’t think you know what your talking about.
If gief didn’t have the extra hits on a lariat how would he get in and punish a fireballer with it ?
Lariat is safe enough against Happyball player. Doesn’t need to punish them.
the lariat needs to “punishing” them for fireballing. If they can get away with it they’ll just do it again and mix in some srks.
a ‘safe’ lariat would turns zangief into a passive player…as if he wasn’t passive enough.
How about giving a ryu an srk that doens’t hit and just goes through fireballs.
Just fix lariat so it doesn’t hit crouched fighters after the first hit. After the startup, he’s just twirling his arms around in the air. I shouldn’t be getting hit by lariat if I’m crouched under his arms. I also shouldn’t be getting popped into the air when I attempt to sweep a blocked lariat. If you press the PPP button and lariat gets blocked, you should get punished then and there. I shouldn’t have to wait for you to finish (or chip me to death) before I get the chance to retaliate.
lolz, why do i still see complaints about lariats. OMFG you guys are lame ass hell. Ive fought players who were all safe and sound CROUCHING under my lariat. “But it does need to hit blah blah blah”. . . well stfu cuz if you stayed blocking then all you’ll get is chip from it and you CAN punish it after the third rotation. If you haven’t figured that out after over a year, get the fuck out and stop playing the game already.
I always get sweeped or DP by shotos. Of course, those are good players who KNOWS gief. Now why can’t everyone just stfu about the lariat and learn from the good players?
I thought this was bad, and then i went to the guile thread…you go over there, come back here, and thank God people aren’t making some of those arguments here
Seriously, tell me what you think. If people still think lariat is overpowered there’s not much this thread can be used for besides laughs anyways
Guile is a piece of turd in sf4. Anyone who says guile needs to be nerfed in super street fighter 4 needs to get piledrived in real life.
i can level 3 focus attack through his entire body inbetween a rotation and it just whiffs. something isn’t right with the hitbox, its buff like sagats st.hk. That out of place hitbox property is annoying needs to be removed or the animation altered to make it visually obvious what to avoid.
There is a problem with the lariat for its hitbox isn’t logic: his arms are up but would still hit a crouching character (???!!). Another problem is the reach of his LP SPD: I think it’s a bit too much. The rest is ok.
Although I agree the lariat hit box is weird. the Jab spd is fine. That reach is necessary to punish certain moves.
I.e. whiffed jab shoryuken. . which if just a bit too far cannot be punished by lariat (as it doesn’t travel far enough), and can only be punished by ex-green hand or the jab spd. It can be punished by other normals but the damage is pitiful. Soo you’re saying the only way to punish to burn is burn the ex-bar ? Really ?
you should really try to use him before you say stuff
Lariat haters need to man up. Bottom line.
If they didn’t buff Lariat, they would have to buff something else because Gief would be an incomplete char without it, people would be jumping in and out of Gief all day. Then people would complain about what else Gief had gotten a buff on.
LP SPD range is perfectly fine.
As for Lariat hitting multiple times. He is spinning with his fist…why would it not hit atleast 4 times?
Lariat beating Honda’s ultra? So…mabey the Honda player should pick a better time to do ultra. Thats like Akuma players getting mad because people can beat his ultra by jumping. If you’re timing it right, it shouldn’t be a problem.
People that get stuck under lariat…mabey you should have thrown before the lariat started going.
Its like people just want Gief to have no AA game at all so they can just jump in beat him up all day, play from a range and make him chase with no fear of punishment.
Azndreamer, I cosign your argument. Players that are good don’t have a problem with this stuff, if they do lose and complain its soley because they are salty about losing and their complaints should not be taken sereously, because everyone gets salty sometimes.
Ya’ll that are sereous need to get over it.
If they aren’t nerfing ryu/sagat’s trade combos, which are fair to an extent, I highly doubt they would nerf lairat that much to where you wouldn’t be complaining about it still.
Perhaps you’re whiffing because you are not doing the FA at the right time. To punish the lariat you have to time it accordingly and it will punish accordingly. I still don’t see a reason for the lariat to be nerfed. But I suppose they can touch it up.
his lp.SPD range is good, but sometimes I feel it kinda being on the short ended side. But all is fair and it should be left alone. Already hard enough to get in close to really good players and i’m not complaining about it.
As a Cammy player I sometimes feel like things like his lariet and lp pile driver are just too good, that match isn’t even by a long stretch precisely because of moves like those (and Cammy’s moves being completely unsafe), but on the other hand he needs those tools for characters like Sagat and Ryu so I understand it. I wouldn’t like to see him improved though, thats a scary thought!
You retards that dont even play gief are still complaining about the lariat hitbox? Hay-larious