No need for racial slurs… :nono:
you saying gief users aren’t smart, yet on this very thread you said
which just shows you have NO clue what the hell you are taking about because that statement couldn’t be anymore wrong, i already covered that…your like a reporter who has done ZERO fact checking and just reports whatever the hell you feel like. you obviously don’t understand how the game works, you haven’t tried to learn, you just come on spouting shit out of your ass, hence your huge neg rep. yet you call people who use gief seriously dumb. it amazes me how dumb you make yourself sound.
basically if you care enough about the game to come on the boards and post, at least learn WTF your talking about first! otherwise, get lost…
make grabs able to counter hit.
zangief is absolutely fine the way he is. If you can’t deal with lariat spam, you suck, period.
In fact, I think he could do with an air grab. Why not? he’s pretty much the grab-happiest character in this game.
The ability to tech a command throw with another command throw might be a pretty cool idea actually.
oh and sabalicious… you complete and utter fucktard!
“inexplicable ‘quality’ of being able to pull you out combos without an ounce of timing”
you can’t pull someone out of a combo, because, well it wouldnt be a combo if you could do that.
You just keep messing it up and paying.
Sounds good to me. Really, just fixing the lower part of the lariat hitbox to not be so good would be enough for nerfs. I think Gief needs that lariat. Not a Gief player, and I don’t think that’s a big problem, as there are ways around it even now.
The question for me is, how do you give Gief something new? You shouldn’t just slap the char without changes into SSF4- that’s boring.
Gief’s really good in SF4, and nerfing the chars above him (which is likely) would put Gief at top tier before buffs are taken into account. Isn’t the Issue with Gief that he dies to the top tier and beats the bottom tier? If that’s the case, a rebalancing should solve most of the problems, and Gief should only need cosmetic changes.
I like your idea on EX Bear Grab having anti-air properties. Maybe speed up its startup some more as well?
I want his aerial grab super from the Alpha series
Has Gief always been able to grab Bison out of Psycho Crusher? I was trying to chip away a Gief on his recovery after he did a Lariat and he SPD’ed me out of my EX Psycho Crusher (probably spinning the stick like mad). If he’s always been able to, then yeah, I’ll just deal with it. If not…yeah, change that…
Other than that I have no problems with playing Gief with my Bison, the matchup is just INSANELY BORING.
Yeah different characters have different needs. So how can you say gief’s lariat is stupid good ? he can’t run out of situations so having his lariat is what he does to tell you to get the fuck out. if you take gief’s lariat out with any of those properties how the hell does it go against .say a cross-up ? what move does it have ?
If his lariat was so STUPID GOOD people would use him over Sagat or Ryu at tournaments. if I’m correct, I haven’t seen a really good gief or any gief make it very far into tournaments. Itagashi’s gief was knocked out the first round. Gief has good pokes. ONE small mistake by gief (i.e. jumping in to a ryu when he though he was gonna fireball ) and even if they trade hits, gief would bounce up for an ultra. now…ryu got hit…but with gief’s regular damage… how’s that fair ? Gief has a ton of guesswork and if you guess wrong, you’re pretty much screwed. If you can’t get in …what good is the lariat… gief has a hell of a time getting in on dhalsim and guile… ryu …one mistake going in he gets stuffed with ultra…how ? ex fireball into ultra… shoryuken into ultra.
What is your basis that ryu deserves a shoryuken and gief doesn’t deserve his lariat ?
No…if it’s longer gief cannot recover and will get punished with guile’s sonic boom jump-in rh/fierce p game…
Yeah…cuz doing a 360 is so easy… if you eat a spammed spd, that’s ur own fault. just like a zangief eating spam fireballs. i don’t see gief players bitching about spammed fireballs, but once I got bitched at for spamming lariats as a counter to the turd spamming akuma fireballs
and as others have mentioned gief needs his hop from hdr. also I’d wish his links weren’t so hard. I mean the timing is like bison’s lk, lk, lk scissor kick but even harder.
Doing a 360 isn’t super easy, but in SFIV, you don’t have to do a full 360. You can just do the old school tiger knee motion and you’ll still get an SPD…
I don’t really mind lariat too much. I don’t think it’s this super amazing move everyone makes it out to be, but I just think between Lariat and SPD, it’s nearly impossible for upclose fighters to beat Gief.
Not only do those moves destroy a lot of their mix ups and rushdown, but he takes hits so well, that even if he guesses wrong a few times, it’s no biggie. However, if the opponent guesses wrong, they’re about to lose 20% or more.
I would just like to see them balance that out a little more, but maybe that has more to do with the other fighters than Gief. He’s already hurting in the match up against Seth and Sagat. I’d hate to see him gain even more bad match ups.
But above all else, they need to make Gief matches NOT BORING. I usually get pretty tense when playing games, but Gief matches are the only ones I’m ever relaxed enough to actually yawn during… Well… Until he’s jumping your shit after a knockdown I guess.
**If his lariat was so STUPID GOOD people would use him over Sagat or Ryu at tournaments. if I’m correct, I haven’t seen a really good gief or any gief make it very far into tournaments. Itagashi’s gief was knocked out the first round. Gief has good pokes. ONE small mistake by gief (i.e. jumping in to a ryu when he though he was gonna fireball ) and even if they trade hits, gief would bounce up for an ultra. now…ryu got hit…but with gief’s regular damage… how’s that fair ? Gief has a ton of guesswork and if you guess wrong, you’re pretty much screwed. If you can’t get in …what good is the lariat… gief has a hell of a time getting in on dhalsim and guile… ryu …one mistake going in he gets stuffed with ultra…how ? ex fireball into ultra… shoryuken into ultra.
What is your basis that ryu deserves a shoryuken and gief doesn’t deserve his lariat ?**
Preach.
I don’t mean to get in the argument of why does Ryu deserve a shoryu and Gief doesn’t deserve a lariat.
To put it simple, if you get in on Ryu, you can hurt him. If you get in on Gief, your best damaging combo is probably going to do 10 to 15%. I would see Ryu needs the GTFO me move more.
Also, when you get in on Ryu, blocking is a viable option. If you think a shoryu is coming, you block. No worries. If you guessed wrong and he does another poke or nothing, no worries. If he throws, you tech.
If you’re in on Gief, blocking is NOT always a viable option. If you think a lariat is coming, you block. No worries? No. Plenty worries. You block. He SPDs. Now you have 400 lbs of Siberian jumping your shit.
I’m not saying that Gief needs a nerf or anything. I hope he keeps it. But the whole Ryu Shoryu vs. Gief Lariat thing has got to go… It’s a stupid argument.
You can’t just knock ryu out of SRK, you CAN knock gief out of lariat. Gief is harder to hurt inside because you aren’t really supposed to be there. Now that’s a problem for a character like fei long, but he’s going to get a buff anyways and his jumpins are pretty good against gief actually, and when i tested weeks ago he’s one of the characters with the hardest time dealing with lariat
I know you can’t knock Ryu out of his shoryu… In the beginning. That’s because it has start up invulnerability. However, that invincibility is very brief (2 or 3 frames, I think). Gief’s lariat is tough for most opponents to just knock him out of.
This STILL doesn’t validate the argument of Ryu Shoryu vs. Gief Lariat.
But to add to that… LARIAT IS JUST 3 BUTTONS AT THE SAME TIME. It’s a GTFO me move. It’s his anti air. It’s his avoid projectiles moves. Anyone can do it on reaction… Most people probably have it set to one damn button.
At least you have to do a command (even if SFIV bastardizes them) to do a shoryuken.
Not really a part of the argument, just a side note that doesn’t seem to be brought up here.
Gief’s lariat is tough for most opponents to just knock him out of.
Did you test it? I did, feilong had the hardest time if i recall correctly.
If something is mashable then it’s mashable really, the reason that version of SRK was brought up is because someone suggested that lariat could be used for too many things, well SRK can also be used for a crapload of things and gets the advantage in the end so you can’t justify a nerf to lariat for those reasons
Shoryuken is a way more useful tool than lariat, notice how more experienced zangiefs rarely use lariat, on the other side pros who use ryu always use it, obviously because it is more useful, lariat, not so much.
Point being? Wait for the rotations, punish.
All I’m saying is that Ryu has his shoryu, but everything Ryu can do can be blocked or teched up close. He can’t lp shoryu anyone from full screen, so its only threatening up close.
Up close against Gief, you can’t just sit and block waiting for the inevitable throw to tech. He has SPD.
I’m not saying Gief doesn’t need his lariat, nor am I saying that it needs to be nerfed. I’m just saying that it’s a dumb comparison that should be squashed, because all it does is nullify the validity of the argument… Its just apples and oranges.
And, no, I didn’t test it. I just know from what I’ve seen in the matches I’ve been in with the characters that I play. If your move doesn’t have invulnerability or hit Gief in the head, Lariat is pretty much about to jump your shit.
It might be hilarious to see the complaints about T.Hawk once the new game comes out.
I feel that ryus SRK comparison to zangiefs lariat is perfectly valid if you’re comparing it because people wanted it nerfed for doing too many different things and providing too many answers.
Zangief doesn’t seem to be a character with many options, if you can get away from him once he gets in he’s all but screwed. If you don’t feel the argument is valid i’m perfectly fine with that really, noone agress on everything
Only a select few folks can beat Gief by keeping him out. Many characters HAVE to be in, so Gief really doesn’t have too much trouble there.
Sagat and Seth are the ones where he’s screwed if he gets out. MAYBE Ryu. Otherwise, it’s not so bad for the big guy.
I know Gief needs his lariat for all it does. And I know Ryu does not necessarily NEED his dp for all it does, since he’s so well rounded anyway. But comparing the two just can’t work for all the reasons I said in my first post on this page.
You can block/ tech whatever Ryu can do to you up close. You cannot do that for Gief, because he has SPD.
I dunno… This isn’t a good argument for me to fight, as I really don’t like Ryu or Gief in this game…
Saying ryu doesnt need his dp is just fucking dumb. Do you even main gief?