give gief a suplex ultra LOLZ
I can’t say I know too much about hitboxes or whatever needs to be changed to fix this, but I want them to make gief’s piledriver feel the same as it did in turbo HD.
I love gief on that game coz its a lot of fun usin his combo’s into piledriver, but find his gameplay awesomely boring on sfIV, mainly because of the slow start up into a cut scene which is boring to watch anyway.
I know all grapple characters have seperate animations as well, but if they somehow can fix this to make it feel more similar to the older games i think he’d feel a lot more fun to play.
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Why do people always think gief could combo into SPD…?
BEcause he could in hdr.
Have never played him or what?
I guess you might not wanna call it a combo but either way you can set it up
I don’t even know how to respond to this. My brain hurts…
can you show me something that shows the combo counter continuing after something like cr.jab x 2 xx spd?
bad trollin attempt?
if Gief can really do that in HDR . . . i’ll go back and play HDR like hell. I know I like to c.shrt >>> RBG . . . which, i think was very useful in HDR. . . if it whiffs shit i’m in trouble.
Ergh
rubs temples
I think either:
1)we’re takin this a little too literally with the whole term combo
or more likely,
2) i’m jumping in and using words i’m not meant to be.
But im sure you guys know what i mean
You know, how if you jump in with an lk then immediately use piledriver he misses, but if you wait a fraction of a second he grabs em…
I’m just gonna end it and say, i liked gief better in HDR.
Don’t even listen to me
The only reason why I considered EX RBG for anti air is because it makes so much fucking sense. The problems are that-
1- The range for the actual grab is ass,
2- The speed he runs is fucking slow,
3- the second he meets the opponent horizontally(when their X-Positions meet, and disregarding all other factors) he attempts to grab,
The first two I can kinda do without, but the last is unacceptable. This move worked fine in previous games, so what happened now?
IIRC the torpedo attacks in this game are considered grounded for the sake of being able to Focus/Super Cancel? I know Blanka Ball is, and I think Honda’s is.
Provide me video of someone doing an SPD using d,df,f,uf+P. Or shut your mouth before you talk about a character you don’t use.
GIEF IS A GRAPPLER. HIS EXPERTISE IS BEING ABLE TO RUIN YOUR SHIT UP CLOSE. If he didn’t have those tools he would become a failed character. He already has shitty pokes.
What’s so boring about it? The whole “I’m eating FBs until I get in”? The “I’ll eat your pokes until I get in hopefully”? The “I’ll build meter to actually be threatening outside sweep range”? He has some pretty big flaws that most don’t see.
Sim and Guile are pretty much the same.
There are no good blockstrings that allow an SPD/Lariat mixup that you can’t jump away from unless you’ve already been knocked down.
This.
That’s a tick throw. they can do a reversal that puts them airborne/makes them unthrowable to get out of it(i.e. SRK).
This thread was about what buffs for gief. It has turned into gief players defending stupid and mindless comments by people who don’t even use gief…gief has A TON of bad match ups due to his guesswork. Zangief still doens’t even have an answer for blanka’s shit, chun-lis pokes + straight jump roundhouse kick are when done proper can keep out zangief like no tomorrow. Seth…dont’ even get me started with seth and his BS headstomp and run away shit which zangief has NOTHING to counter with.
lariat is too good…
spd is too amazing
green hand is too fast and too high priority…wow …that’s like all his special moves…great job …you’ve taken away everything and turned into into the announcer dude
serious the ryu and sagat thread is just a bit below.
I agree. The amount of stupidity coming from some of these posts is ridiculous. Most of these people have no business demanding what should be changed about gief. Reading some of these comments just end up making me dumber.
im the one who made the comparison in the first place, but the reason wasnt to say they are similar moves so they both should keep them. the original argument was thats larait is OP because it has too many uses. so i brought up SRK only to show that other characters have moves that have lots of uses too. it wasnt to try to compare them as the same move or anything, but just to disprove an argument that “if a move has too many uses its overpowered.” thats it.
Lariat is not overpowered. Plenty of stuff beats it. Akuma’s airball, Fuerte’s tortilla balrog ex punches. Plenty stuff. Quit whiny about his lariat you scrubs. Go to training and have Gief spam lariats and have your character attempt to counter and find out. You know, put some effort into it instead of just BAAAAWWWWWing and QQing for a nerf. Give him an airthrow, and air grab ultra while we’re at it.
EDIT: lol neg rep’d for telling the truth.
yeap. iag is right, crapface is right, Densuo is definitely right. Again, people just don’t know how to deal with it so they bitch and whine about it. Sakura’s jump up hk beats it clean and into a combo . . . try bisons jump straight up hk . . . beats it clean again and into that 3xlk>>sk . . . just ANYONE jump up kicks beats lariat . . . Even Gief’s headbutt beats his own lariat.
Blankas are still hard for me . . . with Sagat and Seth. Ryus are just spammers who are just looking for the easy lpDP>> ultras all match long lolz. And if ANYONE thinks he’s such an easy character to use . . . please hit me up on PSN “AznDreamer” and i’ll show you how its NOT so easy using him. You can spam the lariat all you like . . . i won’t get mad . . .
Lariat isn’t broken you shouldn’t be that close to gief to be getting hit with those in the first place.
Zangief just needs more tools to get in maybe a good Jump attack or a faster focus.
Also Less recovery on EX green hand maybe a trade off with a little less dmg.
I rather have characters buffed then nerf then anyone.
make lariat not hit crouched opponents.
Make his SPD range slightly less, and i mean just barely less then it is now.
Speed up his Bear grab thing.
There he is balanced.
I’m a Zangief player, and have been since WW.
I think Zangief’s “problem,” is that he rapes n00bs easily. This is true in every game I play as Zangief.
HDR, ST, SF4, A3, MvC2, XMvsSF…
He’s the fool proof n00b handler.
Good players know how to make short work of Zangief, and intermediate players can give him good matches (and seem like he’s OP) but n00bs just can’t touch Zangief.
Even n00bs who can touch Sagat, can’t touch Zangief.
They **don’t **need to fix this.
They need to make Zangief be a contender in top play.
He currently isn’t.
I get a lot of players telling me I suck, because I use Zangief in ST. That he’s cheap, and OP.
Zangief blows in ST. He has a bad matchup vs. every character, except for Boxer.
Why should I have to listen to a Ryu player tell me my bottom/mid tier character is OP?
I shouldn’t.
But Zangief rapes n00bs, and beats down intermediates, and sucks vs. top players.
hehe, I hope the rumor about Zangief’s Aerial 720 is real. I don’t know if its name is Siberian Blizzard if that is a whole 'notha move because SB is his Aerial Super in MvC2
I agree, some characters are just natural scrub killers. Take M. Bison for example, he was considered very powerful when SF4 first came out and people didn’t know how to deal with him, he was considered the second best character in the game. Now, at competitive top level play he’s not that great, even people like Mago have said that Bison isn’t that great these days. I think something similar can be said for Gief. He was really good when people didn’t know how to deal with him, but now he’s like only upper mid tier, imo.