I’m finally gonna be part of the gang, as I’ve got an Omni on the way. I can’t wait to pick up Tekken for the first time and instantly be great at it!
If you can get pics of the third party’s mounting zones, please. I remember seeing old Korean SFIV cabs with the third party panels and had a full Korean lever in there.
That’s good news. I just wanna get more Crown silicone grommets atm.
Funny that Knee didn’t sell you his stick usually it’s not a problem for him to get a new one, I’m glad Gen1us could help you out =)
He just didn’t wanna go back to his room and try to take it off. This was on Saturday after T7FR was over. So Knee was just lazy. To be fair, it’s a bit of time to walk from the main hotel to the convention center. Maybe a good 7-10 minutes so I understand why Knee didn’t wanna go get his stick and come back. If he won though…
One day I will get it somehow. Maybe for now I can just use the Crown CWJ-303N I got with my EXChanger and put a silicone grommet. In theory, it should be similar to the Green Fanta just without two stabilizers and the similar-sized metal actuator. Feel will be different obviously but it’s better than nothing for now.
ISTmall is officially back in business, they will start sending out products to domestic buyers on the 25th. Dunno about you foreign buyers though
I don’t know if this is stick made in Korea but I have seen hints of it from Korean players
Before I got my 309, I was obsessively searching for any new footage of it. Found a user who has been uploading Tekken tutorial videos. He had a weird stick with the 309 Japanese mount installed. It sorta looked like a Makestick Pro but it wasn’t. I asked him in one of his recent videos about it and while he gave me a link with pictures, he is staying shut about where the body is from.
While I can’t read the top right end of the stick’s panel, the legible text says “Zero Plus Pro Arcade Game Stick V1.” I originally assumed that it was a stick from Taiwan’s Brook, whose parent company is called Zero Plus. I now think it’s unrelated because of the parts. Along with the 309, I guess Crown’s CWB-207H buttons are in the stick too.
This sorta looked like the stick that 200won used at Street Fighter V Crash. Obviously the GoPro overhead view didn’t show the stick in detail but it looks similar.
Also before I forget, here are the internals of the 309 and the FLF-ST dissected.
I was gonna do a review for both the FLF-ST and the 309 levers on IPLAYWINNER but due to work and not feeling confident that the Makestick site is still accepting orders atm, I am waiting it off until they update it with a new item or I get the email back from Rohan. He hasn’t responded back since the Korean site announced their active status. I can probably post casual thoughts on them soon.
During my free time, I found something interesting. At EVO, I originally assumed Knee’s stick he brought to EVO was a Magiclab Magicstick M4 stick but if I recall correctly, it wasn’t. It apparently is from a guy named Shinji in Korea. Apparently he does custom builds. Also he works with Raspberry Pi stick builds too. The evidence that supports it is that while Magiclab uses vinyl art, Shinji uses a plexi for those who want to add art. Here are some other interesting creations from Shinji.
When trying to get Knee’s stick to work at EVO, it used the obvious Green Game Land modded Fanta as well but also Crown CWB-203A buttons. Since it had a touchpad, I was intrigued on why it didn’t work with the T7FR machines. As it was likely a padhack, I assumed that the controller wasn’t compatible with the driver software which was more than a year old. Ignoring the core parts and the artwork, this is what Knee’s stick looked like.
http://i.imgur.com/XqnTi6I.png
Personally they look pretty cool and if he does international, I wouldn’t mind spending a bit of money.
Also in a recent picture, one of the Korean female finalists for The King of Iron Fist Tournament 2015 was at Green and posted a pic of a broken button. After looking at it carefully, it’s definitely a Crown button. It either was the CWB-203C or the 207H since they are basically the same clicky-style button but the latter is easier to work with. Come to think of it, I think Green used those Crown buttons, at least the 203C for a while, the whole time.
Also I saw Helpme at the Tekken Marseilles tournament stream use that weird unknown Zero Plus stick some of us are trying to find out.
After rereading this thread, I’m now pretty curious about the Green Arcade stick. I have a friend based in Korea who could probably pick one up, are they relatively wlewsy to get? Just like, go to the arcade and buy the thing?
More or less no. The deal is that most reports I heard involved being a nice patron to the place and asking Green Dad (owner) if he is there. Some said they begged for the lever but it probably wont be that extreme. I guess they don’t wanna reveal the tech at least to manufacturing competitors in Korea although Crown sort of did it with the 303N.
Your friend can let them know that it’s a gift to a friend overseas and they might be all right with it.
@kkolding can probably provide his own report about it whenever he has time.
@The Phantomnaut
Could you please tell us the differences Crown made from the 307-KMS-ST to that of the 309? It looks to have A3 (possibly Gersung?) switches, & a similar (identical?) silicone grommet. What changes were made exactly?
Thanks
Hmm… The 309 has A3 Gersungs which is good for the actuator (either 16mm or 16.25mm). I think the grommet is lighter than the stock 55g silicone versions.
Compared to a 307, the 309 bears both the top neck gate of the 307 but the bottom end of the 303. It gives a Myoungshin Fanta vibe. For Crown, the 309 is basically the balanced of the bunch with no emphasis found on its predecessors.
I probably mentioned it on a past page but I modded the parts and made a 3D printed actuator (which I will release soon) to make an inspired version. Compared to the actual 309, the mod was really really close. Aside from the minor tension change, it felt really similar.
While it would be really cool to get it, that sounds like a bit more than I’d feel comfortable having my friend do for me. I’d rather not put him in a potentially uncomfortable situation over an arcade part.
On a related note, I’m currently using the 307ST and while I like it, it feels a bit off at time, especially for diagonals. You mentioned that the 309 fixed a lot of issues and is overall a good stick. Would it be worth picking up you think, or should I just get a standard Fanta? Also, do you know if the J-Mount changes anything much about the feel (I’m using a Q4 and would rather not dremel it to hell and back to try to mount a korean mount stick.)
If @kkolding goes to Korea anytime soon, that probably will be a better opportunity. I don’t mind waiting and using my 303N for a bit. I looked into alternate options such as getting a custom shaft and a metal actuator. Also using IST’s FLF-ST silicone grommet would be an alternative. Getting custom parts is the problem since it costs a lot and I have to measure.
Yeah one issue I had with the 307 were the diagonals feeling different from the rest of the crowd.
I wouldn’t say the 309 fixed a lot of issues but rather balance aspects found in other models to create their neutral lever. Both the 309 and the Fanta are designed very similarly but their intricate feelings are different. I would recommend either but due to the silicone tension, the 309 has a slight edge.
The 309 JP mount should be fine. While it uses the same gate at the 303 and 307 (for their JP equivalent models), the 309 should be very playable but I haven’t tried that model directly. If IST’s Makestick.com site sells the 309M anytime soon, you might find better worth with that since it’s theoretically closer to the real deal Korean version.
In other unrelated info, I began using my Joytron EXChanger again. A piece of the stick’s PCB fell off so I inserted a Paewang Revolution PCB from my Etokki Omni. I just use Brook Super Converters to compensate for newer consoles. While my Jasen’s Customs Panzer KE is a hybrid of Japanese and Korean parts, my EXChanger is all Korean. I use a Crown 303N lever with the 207H buttons. After wanting to sell it for years, I began to accept it into my family of sticks.
I took photos of the third party panel.
Can I shove Korean parts buttons and sticks there?
I’ve always wonder this as well. I don’t own a non Korean mount ver of a Crown lever, but clearly it must, wouldn’t it? A Korean lever, exercised to full ‘throw’ rides the barrier of the sleeve/funnel. When you push the Japanese style mounted Korean lever, the shaft isn’t stopped by that of the 24mm mounting hole of the panel now is it? Because that’s the only way I could see the lever somewhat mimicking the feel of a boundary. And if it doesn’t (as I’d imagine), that must provide a unique feel & experience than to that of a Japanese mount without it, no? I wonder if and how the J style mount could in fact be in every way identical to that of the K style mount. Thankfully I have a custom panel that allows for K sticks to be mounted properly without issue, but if I didn’t, I’d be weary about trying a J style mounted Korean lever.
During my trip to play Tekken 7 at the Bandai Namco building in the Bay Area, I stopped by Milpitas Golfland to see if their older fighting game cabinets are still there. Unfortunately 95% of them have been purged for more mainstream games and Time Crisis 5 (which felt disappointing).
One of the crane games Mr. Vacuum had a Korean lever installed to it. It was interesting because it had a special green glass top and a wider funnel gate. While I found out that the company that sold this machine is from Korea, I couldn’t get info about the lever. It’s probably a third rate unbranded lever used for stuff like this anyways.
http://i.imgur.com/IsznH58.jpg
The gates are all shaped the same with no changes. The Japanese 303 gate and the 307 gate have no distinctive measurement difference so most of the action is dictated from the bottom end. The design still mirrors the approach of the shaft making conact with the gate and riding it if it hits it. There is nothing necessarily wrong with them but they are even different to their original models by a bit. You shouldn’t be weary about it at all but don’t expect 1:1 results.
That’s probably why the Crown’s 300M series exists. The gates are big enough to be close to the real deal but small enough to not be an obstruction.
Buttons sure especially Crown’s CWB-203C or 207H models. They can fit most 30mm panels fine due to the screw rings.
As for a lever, you need to mod the panel a bit. I thought those third party panels were equipped for Korean support since some HD cabinets that bear those panels had Korean levers installed.
For this case, your lever hole needs to be dremmeled to 35mm or so. Also for mounting you either drill holes on the bottom to correspond to the lever’s holes. You can get a JLF mounting plate and drill specific holes in the middle to fully work with a lever. Check out a mod by @kkolding where he did that for his previously owned Razer Atrox stick a couple of pages back.
Ah thanks, I’ll take that as a no then because I don’t have the tools or expertise to mod it. Looks like no Korean stick option for me folks.
if its anything like sega keymaster cabs, its probably a crown lever.
Is this Crown stick an option without modding or no?
http://madcatz.com/mad-catz-arcade-fightstick-ke-a-different-kind-of-leverage/
It isn’t a bad option but I rather wait for IST make this available on the Makestick.com site.
I just checked Sega Keymaster’s lever and it looks like a special Crown lever. On the way I think I found the green lever. I might buy it to check it out. Also found more pics on it.