That’s what I want to know.
I wouldn’t call it “half-assed”, though. Almost every tier list (and ever change of one) I have seen is questionable in some respect.
Besides, some of this stuff seems rather obvious, like S Rank Eiji, S- Rank Clark, and E Rank Whip (though she can at least do some things, unlike Athena apparently).
Still, I do want to know what drove them to some conclusions.
I don’t believe that one bit. Gai at A tier (although his worst matchups are in the S tier)? Oswald (the REAL 2k3 Duolon in XI with his 50/50 eat UB into whatever/eat combo on wakeup) the same level as Eiji, Kim, and Clark (although I do respect that those three are really good)?
i could have sworn i posted some anti clark shit yesterday, but i cant find my post.
anyways, regarding clarks jumping e. to beat it, you have to use a move that not only targets his head, but it also have to come out quick enough and not touch his leg. clarks jump e has like 0 frames startup (or close to it). moves that are known to beat it are ashs jumping e, gatos jumping d, and i think adels jump e.
but yeah, the tier list is pretty accurate. gatos hyper hop d is retardedly good. more than half the cast dies to that shit alone. also, everything gato does gives him frame advantage. if only kulas jumping c was a better air to air, she’ll be ranked higher.
i’m surprised kyo didnt make it to the S tier. iori and adel should swap places. just adels ldm alone is enough to place him higher than iori.
I don’t believe that tier list either…sorry.
IMO Kula doesnt have any bad matchups either…I agree with EvilMuff…where’s the proof to back up that latest tier list???
You did post some stuff Ouroborous.
Sorry guys I havent posted anything…I just got home from work and Im tired as fuck…I’m just checking some stuff and then Saturday will resume fully rested…
King in the same tier as Momoko and Shingo? hell no.
IMO Kula needs meter for damage and stuff. She can only rely on her BnB combo for so long. Gato does’t need meter to be effective.
Kula needs meter? Nah.
True enough. But when she gets meter it turns into, hahahahahahaha you do anything and now I’m gonna hit you and then juggle you with my super. It’s like going from easy mode character to now I barely have to think to play my character.
Eh, but that happens with almost any character that has that type of good LDM. Oswald, K’, Adel, etc. Gimme some meter and now I can reduce your options down to “Do exactly nothing or I will kill you in one hit.”
Does anyone have tips for Kensou, I picked him up but for the life of me I don’t know what to do with him XD.
heres some B&Bs ive been using with kensou:
Cr.B,Cr.A, QCF A-Starts off low and puts them closer to the corner where I believe kensou is at his best.
J.C,S.C,F+A,DP.D,HCF.D-Higher dmg than above, puts them in the corner from like midscreen, Super can be substituted for HCF.D
Command grab,HCF.D-Puts in corner from midscreen.
His slow fireball is badass. While its out you can run behind it for mixups and whatnot.
a tier list it’s not only a fact of matchups…but also a comparison on the moveset and how effective it is
if kulla miss a dpC one of the moves she have to rely a lot on in defence she can get raped…and still her ice breath or qcbB can be rolled and punished
for gato this not exist that’s why he can be a step away from her…
i think that sss and ss are just acomparison between the two
i still wonder how ash can be in A rank, his charging time are a pain…maybe he’s this strong only with basics and some random fireballs?or maybe his ldm can be used and effective?
it seems for me that everytime i try to land one i get punched back
and i want to see terry in A due to high damage and some good priorities but at least first place in B rank can go as well
but no new high level vs vids are around?
to me ash / eiji are real good for judgement wins. Ash with some meters and full life can last a long time.
his LDM is best used off super cancel, or whatever QS setup there is…so you shouldnt really get punched back
its just that you arent used to using a charge character.
his basics are really strong and his fireballs are one of the better ones in the game.
well, if you noticed charging times are longer than previous kofs…
i suffer also with kim being use to quick charge down then hienzan but it’s not a big problem 'cause with kim i have hundreds of setups to make the hienzan unpredictable and overall his gameplay don’t rely only on charge moves
but with ash is different 'cause you have to play with charge all the time…
maybe you’re right i have to work more on charging charas
I kinda have to agree with Rengoku here, I really don’t see what makes Ash A-Tier material. At all. Yeah, he’s got decent shit with his LDM, but lots of characters have good LDM’s. Hell, I think Duolon is a bigger threat when his LDM is active, and he’s an entire tier below. When Ash gets an opening for a combo and doesn’t have two super stocks, what is he going to punish with? If you don’t have a charge ready or even one super stock, how do you do damage when you get an opening?
if anyone has links to match videos of beastly Ash’s, please share them.
ash is not a beast, the reason why hes really good is because hes an annoying little faggot.
Speaking of A tier characters, I still don’t understand what makes Kim so good other that his stupidly fast LDM.
Dammn…don’t you use kim?
he is my main from 2k2 and tell me he can spread terror around if used correctly…i can rape gato as well once i manage to cornerize him…
kim has everything a chara need…speed priority high low mindgames and an air move that can be used for pressure and for trickery and nice stun capacities due to his B stomp
and his really strong defense based upon B hienzan D version that have some invincible frames during startup to eat crBs and his crouching C for anti hop/crossup
and if you manage to hit couter jut go for the hienzan to land additional damage
his pressing is terrifying thanks to his far standing A or crA
sweeps are fast as lightning and if your oppo doesn’t recovery you can stomp him with d,d D for damage and stun
and i don’t even use him as leader 'cause i put him as first to keep pressure on opponent that don’t have stocks to E
once i find an opening i tag in for terry or shen to land the most damage possible
and remember that if you land a qcf*2K dm you can juggle for nn saveable combos
wait, ash’s ldm>>>>>>>duolon’s
don’t look only at the damage remember that duolon’s can be save shifted and this is bad for him that have to waste a skill+2stock for activating the custom
due to ash’s juggle you can land sure damage the only dumb thing for ash is that he doesn’t have any useful centerscreen setup…but near corner he’s a beast
at last ash and duolon have whole different gamestyle duolon is more a rushy chara than ash that is all about fireball zoning and keepaway tactics
maybe in the tier comparison
ash’s zoning>>duolon’s rush
i was thinking the same thing…maybe because his jump A/D has crazy priority(very fast and hard to stop). His jump E is pretty good too and his combos hurt alot including his LDM
well who knows…im not a Kim player:wonder: