I think the movie’s choices on Superman were best basically as they are. The city is just a city and is not special, especially since at this point Superman doesn’t even live in Metropolis. Downtown can be leveled just as easily as any other city. It’s a fight, shit happens, people die. Superman is about the strongest among us fighting the hardest foes. The fact that the comics don’t ever adapt to the reality of that and instead stick to insane politically correct character points from the 50s is why the reader population has dwindled. There’s a word for doing a hard and bad thing with remorse because the outcome is best: Hero.
People aren’t arguing that death and destruction had no place in the movie. They’re arguing that it was poorly contextualized. You can’t play as fast and loose with the role of innocent bystanders in a Superman story.
Sure you can. He was not there and people were dying. He was busy destroying the world machine. Once he arrived in Metropolis people stopped dying (except Zod lol).
People were dying because it makes sense. It’s a threat against the entire world, the threat should be made good, otherwise it’s a children’s fairytale and poor storytelling. Saying it’s a Superman story doesn’t give it a free pass, that garbage should be thrown out.
Showing Metropolis being damaged did a lot for the movie besides just showing violence. It gave weight to Superman’s actions and showed that something was at risk to the world’s strongest man. It also gave an opportunity to show humans working together to dig somebody out of the rubble while under fire, which, by the way, contextualizes the situation perfectly.
GOing out of his way to keep destruction to a minimum and keeping loss of life down is an insane PC point? What the fuck?
If they wanted to go for that show Supes helping rebuild or something, show Supes doing whatever he can when fighting to keep destruction to a minimum. We shouldn’t be seeing Supes dodge a tanker to get a cool scene of an explosion behind him.
That reminds me what he said near the end of the movie: “I’m here to help people… on MY terms”. Translation: “Rebuild your own damn city, I’m Superman!”
Seriously, what kind of quote was that?? Superman or not, that was just a douche bag thing to say.
The one positive I’ll give the city destruction, is that it allows explanations into future tech in the universe. We can have Metropolis, and the rest of the world, become a little more advanced, due to rebuilding Metropolis, and having access to alien technology/biology.
Batman SABOTAGED the train so that it couldn’t be stopped. Bruce knew that only Ra’s was the only fucker on earth broken enough to stop him, so he planned to either somehow beat Ra’s–which didn’t happen-- or for Gordon to blow up the tracks and let the train crash.
Since he knew the train would crash, then he knew Ra’s would die by his own plan, and he had the precious time to save him but stopped to GLOAT that Ra’s was toast rather than saving him…Batman has some accountability for Ra’s Al Ghul dying!
So that is all good and not bullshit at all. But Superman realizing he must kill Zod, a guy who just swore he’d kill every human on the planet one by one, ALREADY DID KILL THOUSANDS in Metropolis, was about to incinerate people in front of superman, who is GETTING STRONGER and STRONGER…superman killing Zod is crossing the line for a superhero movie? Eat my dick
Supes knows better and is beyond killing because of be example be is suppose to set. Him killing makes as much sense as the x-men killing anti-mutant bigots.
Yeah he should have just told Zod to play nice and offer him some ice cream. Maybe magic away his bad feelings with some sort of DC plot device that explains away everything so you don’t have to think. Kinda like a machine that can some how generate the same force as the weight of a mountain or two used soley to make Supes look powerful without being too campy.
Bruce moment was dumb as shit, Superman moment is actually not a problem in context, though I think it and Zod should have been saved for a later movie.
Supes never ONCE tried to talk things out. He was antagonist from the second he met him and never bothered to see things from his perspective and reason with him. Supes does this all the time with villains…violence is always a last resort with him. He tries to handle things in a diplomatic and civil fashion before destroying a city for the heck of it.
Point is he never talked to him to try and change his mind or reach some other resolve outside murder…good to know supes is essentially a brute who kills first and talks later.
Zod told superman in the dream sequence his plan to kill everyone on earth and terraform, Superman said he can’t be apart of his plan, Zod says fuck off
Zod discovers that the Codex is within superman, decides he will kill superman in the terraforming process along with everyone on earth
superman stops the plot. A defeated Zod declares he is going to kill everyone on Kal-El’s adopted home. Superman says he’ll stop him, doesn’t say he’ll kill him. During the fight Zod says either he dies or Superman dies
Now, before Superman kills Zod, the obviously not willing to negotiate guy is about to murder people in front of superman and also says HE’LL NEVER STOP. Think about that, if you have a fucking brain to follow up to this point…NEVER. STOP…NEVER…one more time, NEVER.
Ok, so Superman had more options to “talk it out”, be a “diplomat” as opposed to Batman who, like in my previous post, LOL’d at Ra’s Al Ghul as he watched the train crash into Wayne Tower.
hahaha. You’re absolutely trolling me, and you got me.
But my argument stands to any one else who is still legitimately bothered by Kal killing Zod, especially to any one who at the same time have the balls to say Bruce Wayne was ok in not saving Ra’s