I could swear I said almost exactly this sometime earlier.
But, of course, you are right. The best villains are the ones who generate a multi-dimensional conflict with the hero. Any idiot can cough up a villain that can take the hero in a fistfight.
Oh wait NOLAN is involved?
I’m willing to give this a chance. Nolan is a god after all. TDK was a masterpiece. But then again, as a comic layman, I’ve found Batman to be an inherently more interesting character than Supes. It’ll be interesting to see if he can make Supes interesting for a regular movie goer like me.
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It’s possible, my use of ‘‘naughty lad’’ is pure poofter talk though.
^Joker is probably my favorite character because of his personality…
Hell its even questionable whether he is insane or not, because all of plans are more than rational… he is definitely more intelligent than Batman as far as I know, could it be an act for the courts? Maybe.
Although the comic books are better as far as I know…
Oh, yeah that’s right it was Supe’s VA who needed a break. Been a while since I watched that documentary. I also don’t like all these British actors taking our American roles. It’s like a punch to the face and them saying that “British actors are better than American ones.”
It’s the old, all true art is foreign trope. Yeah, I personally can see the appeal of having a good old boy in the role-- but I won’t lose my shit if it doesn’t play out that way. If it makes you feel better though, loads and loads of Americans do well over in the uk, especially in the south. Rap music, hollywood films, etc etc.
Bitch, please. You’re about as regular as an old man who ran out of fiber tablets.
Just as a refresher, the confirmed people involved are…
Producer: Christopher Nolan (the 1978 Superman film was an inspiration for Batman Begins)
Writer: David S. Goyer (pitched his idea to Nolan, who in turn pitched it to WB)
Director: Zack Snyder (made shit go really fast, then really slow in 300)
Superman: Henry Cavill (I am unfamiliar with his work, but I have been reassured by people who are)
I lolled hard. The people involved does make this sound promising, I am glad that Brian Singer guy is gone.
Hells yeah, Joker was awesome.
Another problem I have with most movies is that the good guys always win, because they are good guys. They waste all this time setting up the villain to be this powerful badass, only to have him lose. They’ll kill off one or two token “good guy” characters, typically black, so it doesn’t seem that contrived. But it still is. I mean don’t get me wrong, I love watching Bloodsport and Demolition Man just like anybody else.
What was great about TDK is that Batman “won”, but at a huge cost. Joker succeeded in corrupting Harvey Dent, turning him into Two Face. Whereas in Superman Returns, Lex Luthor who is actually an interesting villain, is defeated handily. Oh noes, Supes ends up badly hurt, but we all know he’s going to recover and get the girl at the end. YAWN.
If you’re into that whole ‘‘good guy bad guy’’ dynamic you might like afro samurai, IMO: The main character is honestly a whole lot worse than the ‘‘villain’’ he winds up defeating at the end, the series is really from the POV of a sympathetic villain imo.
If you’re talking about the DC vs. Marvel crossover event from back in '96, Supes won that one (even though Marvel ended up winning the whole thing).
Isn’t a female Snyder involved too?
Speaking of his girl Superman at least has good taste in women. I wish I could find a chick with violet eyes. That just makes my draws tight.
It sounds familiar cuz he almost quoted you word for word.
Yeah the sentiment/phrasing is awkwardly close, but it was a direct response to the idea here that conflict = fight scene.
Regardless, not sure anyone would or actually does disagree with either my first or second statement in that post.
I have to hope that whichever villain they use isn’t a ‘reimagining’ like the vibe I got from The Dark Knight. I didn’t really get a Joker vibe from Heath Ledger. Not that his performance was bad, by any means. It was great. It just didn’t really feel like the Joker to me. It just felt like some random “I want to kill everybody” interchangeable nihilist wearing KISS makeup.
Have to disagree Joker stopped being a joke character (I never read batman comics)
Well, if you feel so inclined, the kind of Joker I was expecting from Heath Ledger was in A Death in the Family or Knightfall, if you can find it. Knightfall is still my favorite Batman arc.
Let me state once again that I think highly of Heath Ledger’s performance in The Dark Knight. It wasn’t the acting that messed it up for me, it was the way the character was written. It was a nicely compelling character with a lot of really interesting lines(the scene in the hospital was particularly awesome), but I don’t understand how it was the Joker. He laughs maybe once or twice, and then he says the word “joke” at a few places. So does the Comedian from Watchmen.
Maybe I’m just not up to speed on the direction in which DC has taken the character. That’s definitely possible-- probable, even. That’s just not any Joker I’ve ever seen, and I’ve seen quite a few.
I’m derailing the thread, though, and I’ve more than spoken my peace. This thread is about the Superman movie that’s coming out in 2012 or thereabouts.
I’m tossing my vote in for Metallo. It would be a really easy way for a lot of people to get what they wanted from a Superman movie. I know I’d be satisfied, especially after beating his cast-iron ass in DC Universe Online. That was fun as all get-out. I love that game.
I love how it is not fair to judge superman based off how the past movies, cartoon series and comic books of other characters potray superman. Like all of that is just null and void and he has to be judged only based on his own comic stories that no one feels compelled to read based on how boring he is in all other major pop culture that includes him. It’s almost like the people who said that everyone jumped the gun for not playing through the first 20 hours of FFXIII before saying that they do not like it.
Also mettallo would be awesome. Superman can get as ruthless as he wants to since a robot without feeling will not scare the parents away. I do not want another watch superman fly and lift things movie
Iconic is really not enough anymore.
the last movie REEKED of this. It was “hey look photographs of Superman doing what he did on that cover of Superman #xxy” and other handjobs to past Supermen. We got views of him chilling in space, or just smiling for the camera.
Not what we want. I wanna see Supes do everything. Heat vision, xray vision, freeze breath, lift TONS of heavy things, punch a mountain, shit like that.
I have the same problem with hulk. They basically take an insanely powerful character, then make him into a pro wrestler, tossing cars and people rather than knocking down a building in one punch
True, damn true… although it was only one incarnation of the Joker out of many (I suppose closer to his original appearance, if that has any meaning), and he worked in the context of the movie’s themes.
But the villains in TDK were sort of a letdown, considering how well Ra’s was handled in BB.