I don’t get why people are still complaining about collateral damage. You have the same thing in the comics and cartoons. I’d think people would’ve gotten used to it by now.
I saw the film this mourning. The enjoyed it. I felt the first act was rushed. They could have spend a little more time with Jor-El before Krypton went to shit. Superman not trying to save people in his fights in Smallville and Metropolis bothered me. In the flashbacks he went out of his way to save people for him not to do that way when it would be most important rubbed me the wrong way.
[details=Spoiler]It’s not so much the collateral damage, it’s his seemingly not caring about the collateral damage. He first fights Zod by knocking him away from a safe cornfield, through countless buildings undoubtedly full of people, into a crowded downtown which he proceeds to level.
You can also add to that, his willingness to snap Zod’s neck.
It was just very uncharacteristic.[/details]
It’s not like Superman was that much stronger than Zod (I mean there was that one scene that ZOD pretty much asked Kal , “Do you even lift?”). Superman can’t easily just bring Zod to an unpopulated area especially when ZOD is now hell bent on killing every human being.
I think the head snapping thing is a result of Superman having no access to the Phantom zone like in the comics. I mean he just started being Superman for christ’s sake.
With no Kryptonite and no Phantom zone prison, there literally was no other way to stop ZOD. Superman HAD to kill him, he HAD to.
Just watched it, I liked it.
[details=Spoiler]In regards to the collateral damage stuff,I didn’t think it was that bad. I heard about it going in,and I ended up looking for the instances that people were mentioning, and to me at least,I didn’t really see anything that bad.
During the Superman/ Zod fight, the damage didn’t seem that bad, for the most part when they were knocked into buildings they either skimmed through the sides, mostly taking out windows, or made a straight hole through them, none of which would really put the buildings at risk of collapsing, or they seemed abandoned, like the one Zod trashed with his heat vision. Superman even tried to take the fight into space, it was Zod who brought him back to Metropolis. Despite the large financial damage, no one seemed to be directly put into danger by Superman during that fight until the end, and Superman killed Zod to keep those people safe.
He did bring Zod into smallville for the other fight, but I kind of understand that bit, his mother was in danger, he just blindly tackled Zod to get him away from her, when they stop they just happened to land in the town, and after that point he was mostly getting his but kicked too much to help the soldiers, and he still tried. He could have probably gotten Zod out of there when he freaked out due to the sensory overload, but I’d base that more on inexperience than a lack of concern.
I was worried about the neck snap, but Superman really seemed heartbroken about having to do that, and with the phantom Zone out of the question, I didn’t mind it.
I did have two problems though
- No kneel before Zod
- Johnathan Kent seemed really off. His whole shtick was to teach Clark how to be a good person and help others. This version seemed to be trying to to the opposite of that, he would rather Clark let people get hurt if it kept his secret. I get being worried about him, but letting yourself get killed in front of him seems like it would cause more harm then being found out a bit early. [/details]
[spoiler=]Considering how the townspeople reacted like ungrateful bastards after Clark saved a school bus of their children didn’t prove Johnathan wrong. To me, it came across that Johnathan didn’t want Clark using his powers until he found himself.[/details]
This isn’t news. It’s olds.
I’m not watching any sequels of this ‘reboot’ of any already deplorable ‘reboot’. I walked out of the theatre not liking it.
The only good thing in the entire movie was that badass bitch that kicked Superman’s ass all over the place.
If any of you are wondering, yeah, I think Superman is one of the most stupid, craptastic comic books out there,
Superman being the pinnacle of stupidity of all comic book ‘heroes’. And I’m a DC fan. I didn’t like the fucked Jesus/savior
reference in The Matrix and I didn’t like it here either. Fuck all of your fucked theology bullcrap, world.
~K.
[details=Spoiler]You make a good point, still seemed off though, IMO I could never picture the character responding to the question of “should I have let them die” with “Maybe”.
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Which kind of annoyed me.
In superman 2 he fought off 3 of them and here he was getting bitched a lot…fuck since when does supes job so much. Supes actually has exceptional H2H, in new 52 supes has so far beaten almost every top tier they pinned him against yet in this movie he can’t even beat 2 goons.
Does anybody else feel a delicious rush of schadenfreude when some cranky turd wastes money on something he knew he wasn’t going to like in the first place?
Can’t wait to watch it again, but in 3d!!!
lol the collateral damage in this movie is crazy…now i know why goku is always let…“lets go battle in a desert”
im so used to shaky cams in fights…now everything?! yoooo this has got to stop
If you only knew how much I loathe theology and/or the whole god/jesus/savior bullcrap…you’d expect this from me.
Any reference to it anywhere and I start to steam…
~K.
You haven’t said why you think that, considering religion has been part of human society for 1000’s and 1000’s of years, it’s not unreasonable for theology the underlying part of super hero movies. Superman has never liked to be compared to a god, and the movie makes it very clear that’s not his intention. It’s also pretty evident that Kryptonians are not gods, just technologically advanced which makes them appear godly.
Also, are you annoyed because you are one of those Evangelical Christians or just over the top atheist? Either way, you seem rather extreme.
I actually found it more realistic. These “goons” are supposed to be trained fighters with experience while Clark was raised as a corn fed country boy.
That would be the equivalent of some average joe taking on two professional MMA fighters. In reality, Superman should have gotten his ass kicked even worse.
but he did.
The only reason he survived was because he had the advantage of the atmosphere which made him stronger than the other two. If he didn’t have that, he would have died. Same thing with Zod. I’m also assuming the ultimate hack was having all that krypotonian DNA fused to his which makes him stronger than the rest helped out a lot.
One reference/line I would have loved to see would have been when he got shot in the chest by the kryptonian ship, if his next line would have been “it tickles”
he also says it in DK2 but i cant find a pic
I saw it yesterday, and left the theater feeling very indifferent. In fact, “indifferent” is a great way I would describe sitting through that film. The good news is that I didn’t feel like I had been in the theater for all eternity like I did for DKR, a film that went on WAY longer than it should to a point where I was squirming in my seat wanting for it to be over already.
The bad news is that my overall impression on the film was colorless and bland. Stuff was getting wrecked DBZ style yet I felt very detached from the entire experience due largely to poor characterization all around with the exception of Jor-El and a kind of gray presentation that looked really out of place in the world of Superman.
Spoiler
Someone said that the Avengers gets too much credit, but there’s no question that the Avengers did everything this movie did with its fight scenes, only better. In the Avengers, there was a lot of color and personality put into the final battle, with every character having a chance to shine and a true “epic finale” feel. Here, no one really stood out and everything was as formulaic as could be, and not the kind of formulaic that you’d accept like you would fighting game archetypes. It was just a colorless haze, and while I should have felt something when Superman killed Zod and showed remorse for it, it was shrugged off so quickly that it didn’t have any lasting impact. No one apart from Russell Crowe really stood out to me, but that could be more the director’s fault, like someone else stated.
This is why I fucking hate Nolan and anything he touches, because he insists on making everything as “realistic” as possible even for something completely off the wall like Superman and the Kryptonians. It’s a case of, “How realistic can we make this until it becomes boring?”
2 capes out of 5. Next up is The Wolverine.