oh sorry I was wrong… storms tri jump with hp is the only thing beating cyc’s c.mk
This thread suprises me, 14 pages long and callmeanewb is still going on about that XvSF is gods gift to competitive gaming, I mean come on and wake up, the only person your fooling is yourself.
There you have it. Askin “is xvsf a competitily playable” is the wrong question. because ANY fight game is competitively playable so long as people are itrested in playing in a tourney… the question is, it the best competitive game? ?? .FUCK NO! But that doesn’t mean it wont have a scene or that people wont like playing it. It never was a main tourney game at the T tourneys evo ecc sbo or any other major tourney and it never will. it’ll always be known as “that fun side tourney game” Now can we close this fucking thread! Its getting boring talking about the same shit over and over…
100% agree shiro, i mean any game is competitively playable as long as you have players that are willing to play it competitively.
And the fact isn’t that a “Noob” can beat a good player, it’s more like the average player (who has infinities down and decent execution) Vs a Great Player, the average player has a better chance to beat the great player than in most other games.
The thing i don’t like about XvSF is if your a really good player, most of the techinical combos and techniques won’t make your gameplay any more effective, so by the good players playing with fancy combo’s and stuff won’t give them a big advantage because in XvSF the more basic the combo/technique usually is, the better it is which makes most things like resets/fancy FSD combos/1 frame link combos etc obsolete because say if you have an opponent in an infinite combo, doing a reset or something or doing a technical 100% combo instead of doing the Brain dead inf will just hinder you and not reward you since you have more of a chance to stuff up the combo for just the same reward for doing an easy ass inf, where as in other games you get rewarded for your combo/technical ability e.g 3s Urein with all of his charge partitioning and unblockables and shit.
Basically what im saying is XvSF with infinites is basically a dumbed down version of what XvSF is casually (using no infs).
XvSF with no infs you will rarely see an average player beat a good player, but in competitive play (everything goes) the game is just too dumbed down and gives the worse players a better chance to win, and on top of that making the game extremely boring to watch and play.
XvSF to me played with infinites at a decent level of play (where people have decent execution and dont stuff up their infinites) is pretty much first combo, throw or even single hit = game over.
I mean sure the better player will usually win, but still no matter how good you are you can still get hit, and that 1 hit leads to game over most of the time in XvSF.
Whereas take another game for example we will use 3s again. an average player VS a really good player, sure the worse player might be able to score a few hits on the better, but even if he does he will still lose most of the time because he has to hit the better player more than the better player hits him, and the longer the game goes on the more chance the better player has of winning.
But when a game is like XvSF its kindof like saying make an average player vs a good player in ST or 3s or whatever but for only 1 game and 1 round, that average player has a better chance of winning than if the matches were best of 5 because all he needs to do is get lucky 1 time instead of 3, this is exactly how XvSF is, the worse player only needs to get lucky 1 or 2 times instead of a lot of times like it takes to win in most other games.
No matter what all the stuff Callmeanewb says it doesn’t matter, no-one can tell me that you can never be hit by a throw or 50/50 mixup on wakeup etc that leads to death.
Anyway thats all from me for now, sorry if you don’t understand what im typing or i drag on, i hardly ever type large slabs of information or do long posts at all in general.
Co-sign
One day you’ll get around cyc’s c.forward shiro…until then, "ca c’est toute ton energie!"
Anyway, I’ve been playing this game for some time now and I can go on and on about the games depth. Is it competitively playable? Come to an Ottawa tournie and find out. Is is a good competitively playable game? Yes…Why wouldn’t it be? . Let me hook ya’ll up with an analogy. Picture a match in any game you want in which both players have 3 pixels of health left. It’s down to the wire and both players are playing it as safe as possible while trying to get that final hit to win the match…that’s XvsF. Too much pressure? Yes, I kno it is alot to deal with. You might get hit and you might end up losing all your life. But if I’m playing 3s and I have 50% health left against Chun li, who can combo anything into super for all my life, I’m going to be scared and feeling mad pressure. If I’m against A groove Bison or Sakura in Cvs2 and I have less than 75 % health I’m going to be experiencing minor shit stain preventing difficulties . But the diff between most games and xvsf is the fact that you don’t get a break before you’re forced to play it 100% safe or lose. Alot of people can’t handle playing that technically 100% of the time. But it’s that one slip up that get’s you killed.
Here’s an example for you shiro: I was playing against cyc with wolv and did a dive kick, he tried to launch me and I drilled clawed cyc in the face, he tried to launch me again, I blocked, pushed back, landed, dashed in, 3k super jump cancelled and dive kicked relatively low to the ground(and this all happened in like 2 seconds). Now since I was playing an experienced cyc player, he did try to launch me on reaction but wasn’t fast enough and got counter hit. You have to have ridiculously fast reaction time to abuse cyc’s launch in high level play in every situation, one missed attempt and you lose. I’ve seen that launcher get DESTROYED by magnetos/storms claw tri jump short…And Sabertooth can make cyc wiff c.forward then punish him. Bison? He can fly around trying to bait your launch to punish it with roundhouse>>psychocrusher. Every character except for Zangief (poor guy) has a way to fuck with cyc’s launcher and with cyc in general. I do agree that cycs launcher is one of the best anti airs in the game when timed right, but it’s not unbeatable.
Edit: And One and Only, get some skills in a game before you try to shit talk it. When you start placing top 8 in a local xvsf tournie, then you can say “it’s all about infinites”. I don’t see how scrubs have ANY opinion at all on the subject of xvsf being competitively playable…
Stop bieng a jerk. 
Yeah you’re right. I’m sorry for callin names. It’s just annoying when people who don’t know everything there is to know about a game dumb the game down to one particular aspect. I don’t play MVC2 but I could still find several reason why I wouldn’t want to play it… but I still wouldn’t say shit like "it’s all about having 5 levels "or “it’s all about assists and gaurd breaks”. And if there was a thread about whether or not MVC2 should be competitively playable, I would just sit back and listen to the arguments of high level, experienced players who’ve seen the game from every angle. I just don’t understand how some people can make claims about the competitive nature of a game they don’t/don’t want to/can’t compete in.
Wait a second, Wait a second…You said if you are a scrub you have no right to have a say in the game. Right? Right? Well no offense, nothing personl but the guy who made this thread and started this discussion sucks at xvsf. That person is obviously callmeanewb. If Im a scrub at xvsf(which I am) and I beat callmeanewb in a tournment 2x and then in a money match 2 games in a row then why does he have a say? He sucks at 3s as well yet he gets to have a say in that game.
Come on 1hitcombo, have to be fair to both sides of the coin.
maybe cause I’m a newb not a scrub?
I’m the guy who plays 1hitcombo every day all day. He’ll vouch for me that if could execute everything I tried to do, I’d be untouchable. I know the counters, I know the theory, I know the mind games. I just can’t make my characters do what I want them to do when I want them to do it.
this game can be played at a competitive level.
just play dogface/mmds/Rich
at evo. 
It is pretty damn funny that someone like me, who played XSF for a couple of years in arcades when it was popular and there was a lot of comp, is lectured by a guy who has played for 3 months.
I’m not going to claim to be an XSF expert but in those days there were plenty of good people playing on a constant basis, far more so than today.
CallMeANewb doesn’t even agree with DogFace, someone who is actually really good at XSF. It’s clear from DogFace’s postings he gets what XSF is: a really fun game that is not so fun when played super-seriously.
This is only news to people who weren’t around when people actually played XSF a lot. That’s why this entire discussion is stupid. Why isn’t XSF as popular as other games? Because it had its chance, we all played it, and at the end of the day it just isn’t that good.
It’s not like XSF is some lost game that nobody ever heard of before. We’ve been there and done that.
You can make the case for a game like DS/VS that a lot of people just never really played it and it was never given a chance. That isn’t the case with XSF. It was really popular for a while. It isn’t that popular because it isn’t that good, and MVC2 is better in nearly every way.
margalis: Why do every one of your posts sound like preambles to “Margalis has spoken. Now go forth and obey my command, you lowly peasants!” or whatever? It’s clear to everyone else but you that this is a discussion, not an appeal for some self-appointed authority figure to step in and arbitrate. Even if it was, that person sure as hell wouldn’t be you. Closest anyone comes to that is Spider-Dan, but he refuses to play with the current generation of XSF players (which simply mystifies me). Even Valle (who is known for moving on and not looking back) wouldn’t turn down the opportunity to partake in a revival of his favorite game, SFA2.
Oh well, no big deal. Current XSF is quite different from Spider-Dan’s XSF anyway. If the old school players refuse to acknowledge the efforts of the new school, there’s really nothing to do but shrug and keep going.
Anyway, the rest of the XSF kids participating in this thread should just talk about competitive situations in the game. Kinda like the one that Callmeanewb brought up where all kinds of crazy mindgames were going down. Maybe also talk about situations where the wrong decision still gets protected, cuz there’s plenty of that in every game. In a lot of cases, the best characters are the ones that can get away with making the most mistakes. I think there’s a lot of mileage in that discussion.
Seems like margalis still hasn’t caught on to the fact that this thread stopped being about “Is XSF competitive?” on the very first page. It’s been about “How competitive is XSF?” for quite some time now. The thread was never going to end just as soon as someone chimed in with the most cynical answer possible. There’s still plenty to talk about here, IMO.
quoted for truth, i wish the og’s other myself would come out and acknowedge.
even tho xsf isnt my favorite game by any means the revival is very much appreciated…even if the ppl who contributed to indepth discussion of this game back in the day dont post. its really really sad.
margalis makes some good points though but he comes off as really abrasive sometimes, so i understand why ppl would be yelling at him…however needless flames from new school arent helping either (though its really one or two ppl, everyone else has contributed some valid discussion)
oh yeah…just to let you know xsf is having a bit of a revival in ny too, tho i doubt were going to run any tourneys or anything like that, all sorts of random ppl are coming out of the woodwork to play casual which is good shit, even i play it a little sometimes now. more so than last year when i went to evo and hadnt played xsf in years, lol.
but ppl get mad when i play them and i runaway with storm or abuse cheap shit in the games engine like easy infinites or simple tactics or whatever. ppl seem to forget that it is XSF after all - so what do they expect? 
:looney:
Newb and scrub is the same thing. What you just said, thats like me saying “If I could do charge partioning all the time, with buffering and perfect parries then no one could touch me.”
this is false.
newb = someone who is new to the game
scrub = lives within his own world of made up rules, refuses to get bettr, etc. etc.
Newb should be a scrub. Just for this case only though, cos he’s fucken terrible.
talk pas shit. i didn’t even compete at MAT. what are you judging me on?
Le Beasting! 
Because I’m an arrogant bastard.
Why do all your posts sound like you have large amounts of sand in your vagina?
The thread is 95% about the merits of XSF as a tournament game. After the first page? Please stop fibbing.
If you want to create a general knowledge XSF thread do that. Or post in one that already exists. You might try this one for example:
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=70122&page=118
You know, the XSF strategy thread?
Gee, how arrogant of me, to suggest that an XSF strategy thread is probably a better place for XSF strategy than a thread about the merits of XSF as a competitive game.
Margalis has spoken!
Edit: I’m not going to barge into the XSF strategy thread and start telling people that XSF is a bad tournament game. However when someone asks me for my opinion on XSF in a thread dedicated to that purpose I’m going to give it. (An opinion that DogFace largely agrees with, I might add)
There is plenty of XSF gameplay to talk about, so go do that.