Can we just go ahead and merge this with “The Dissertations” thread?
Gotdam.
Depends.
Depends if your kid’s name is Yoshinori Ono.
If your kid’s name is Yoshinori Ono…
Then by all means,
smack away to your heart’s content.
I was gonna not post in this thread anymore but your post seemed really sincere so i was compelled to reply. The study tests the hypothesis that spanking and therefore CP has negative effects on children in the long-term and the evidence suggests that.
The thing with studies is that what the evidence says is the most important not what the research team conclude. Anything beyond the evidence is subjective and so it’s obviously best to use your own subjectivity to draw conclusions for your own subjective experience. That being said interpreting the evidence for yourself doesnt excuse any bias which if you wanna make the best decision should be avoided as much as possible.
The conclusion made within the study never suggested that CP was a major role in psychological problems (they even used % values to give an accurate measure) but that it was a factor. Of course if something contributes towards a problem would you not try to eliminate it? Just because it isn’t the biggest factor doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be addressed.
In the end if someone sees this evidence and still decides to carry on using CP then that’s their choice and i have no right to try to tell them otherwise, all i can do is prevent the evidence. If someone chooses to end their practicing of CP then that’s fine aswell.
You thought you could get a rain of likes, but you didn’t. Fail fishing for likes.
So you want to protect her, but also wish to lead her down the very road you wish her to avoid through your actions. Wut.
not fishing. just passionately hate that guy and desire to mention that at every opportunity that passes by.
i likened your post though.
yoshinori ono raped my sister, killed my father, and kicked my puppy.
that is all
all children are heartless and deserve to be hit according to some (not all ofcourse). Spanking in extreme circumstances i can deal with (and i mean EXTREME) but when people start saying they hit their kid (or dont have a problem with hitting) if they don’t listen to you (something which shows intelligence) or if they do some stupid shit (which kids do all the time) then it seems theyre just holding onto traditions and don’t want to invalidate their parents’ parenting method.
of course certain parents who spank their child if they do something to another human being is understandeable but it’s hard to take people seriously when they say that anyone who doesn’t have kids doesnt understand and when someone who has a kid says otherwise they try to find anything to demonise them.
sometimes they just need their ass beat yaknow.
As previously stated, no.
Your problem is that correlation does not prove causation. You speak as if corporal punishment causes all of these problems. There’s no way to actually test such an issue without taking a sample of kids representative of the population and raising them in non-CP and CP houses to actually prove that CP causes these issues. Otherwise, you can say that these things might happen, but don’t always do so. Those studies aren’t as “hard” and be-all end-all as you claim them to be, sir.
My siblings and I got hit all the time, and but we were punished in other ways too. I have a college degree and a 35k job, both of my other brothers have attended college (with one about to graduate), and all of us are normal-ass people.
And I can speak on this because I was once a children.
Will I hit my kid? Yes, and he/she will always know exactly why they’re catching this ass-whoopin too. Will I ever hit my kid to the point of bruising/bleeding? No. Will hitting my kid be the only form of discipline they get? No.
That’s just silly considering we know scientists exist. Sorry, couldn’t resist.
To anyone saying: I was hit and I came out normal. The argument isn’t that you **can’t **turn out okay. The argument is that it either had an overall negative effect (meaning, yes, maybe you are successful now but you might be even more successful had you not been spanked) or that other methods are better at achieving the result you want (a well behaved child).
It’s hard to find a similar situation without resulting to something comparatively drastic to spanking but I’ll try. I guess it could be similar to making fun of your children and crushing their self-esteem at every opportunity. That doesn’t mean that your kid will necessarily grow up a loser with nothing going on in life; hell, he could grow up and be extremely successful. Even if he does though, it still doesn’t mean that your “style” of parenting had no negative impacts on your children or that what you did was fine. And that’s the point that the anti-CP folks are making.
oh… I didn’t think of it in this way…
So correlation doesn’t equal causation; correct. Does this mean 50 people on srk outweigh 9953 people where the variable was isolated?
What makes you non-agressive or not have psychological problems is common sense, something which you and a lot of other people seem to not use when interpreting these studies. None of the studies actually give a black and white answer (or atleast not the one i linked) they say that CP increases the chances. Other studies show that income level can increase the chances aswell as parent neglection. But it’s ok because if i neglect my child every once in a while itll obviously not POTENTIALLY have any problems.
Why would someone as a parent not wish to eliminate ANY chance of your child having problems later in their life?
Arrogance? Tradition?
I have a young daughter and my wife insisted she wanted to spank her as discipline. I said let’s give it a try and one day she started hitting us when we did something she didn’t like instead of saying so (which she normally DID). My wife was saying
’why? why is she doing this? she’d never done it before?’. I told her it was because you gave her the example to follow and she just gave me an evil stare (because you know her parents spanked her and she turned out ok).
oh how great the power of sarcasm
just like the effects of “truths” the effects of “lies” can deter a nation
is it the flaw in the information or a flaw in the information processing? I THINK THATS EASY TO FIGURE OUT 
Cute! How old was she when she hit back? My kid is too young to misbehave, I don’t foresee spanking even being an option until he’s old enough to understand the lecture afterwards, to understand why it’s not a good idea to hit people in positions commanding respect, and maybe why you shouldn’t hit people 4 times your size 
In response to your question, I don’t think spanking has any negative effect if used responsibly. I think the study results show a correlation between spanking and negative effects because the use of cp is usually intrinsically linked with poor parenting in general. It’s poor parenting that causes the problems IMO.
blaming “bad parenting” for shitty kids is like saying the cause of crime is criminals. that’s not much of a point.
I don’t have a dog in this race just saying there’s a lot of “duh” points being made at this point.
that’s not the point I was making! I was trying to explain why spanking if used correctly can be a total non factor. Sorry if I wasn’t clear.
I don’t understand this-
bad parenting: parents + failing = negative seeds in child = negative repercussions from negative flowers
criminal: anti socialist + the action of a crime = committed crime
I’m really confused how you’ve correlated the two to use it to dispute the statement. the first has a cause and effect which grows into a bigger cause and effect after being planted in another being, while the criminal is one with bad seeds and has carried them out and used them against the law of the land.
you’re saying they correlate when they clearly don’t, especially since his statement actually has a context.
it was just an analogy and I don’t care to explain it.
ok sorry, just would prefer to be clear on what’s being read but I respect your discussion to keep it to yourself :tup:
She was hit and showed a response within a week. She hit me once and i told her ‘did i ever hit you?’ and then from then on she never hit me (only my wife). I’d rather not say her age but what i can say is that she’s old enough to understand what i tell her for the most part.
You contradicted yourself in the second paragraph. If something is intrinsically linked it is part and parcel with what it is linked to and can’t be only sometimes intrinsically linked but all the time. for example money intrinsically has no value because all it is is a piece of paper, but it has extrinsic value because it is a medium for exchange which allows you to buy something which does have intrinsic value such as food and water. Food and water will always have value as they are neccessary for life but money would have no value in non monetary systems such as anarchism.
What is poor parenting is the question here and you’ve already assumed that CP is not part of this even though evidence suggests it as a POSSIBILITY. There is no absolute truth but there are best guesses. You don’t know if CP is part of bad parenting and neither do i so i’m going with what is the best guess (in my opinion of course). If you see otherwise then that’s fine but there comes a point where you can only be seen as in denial when the evidence is presented to you. That decision is for you to make and it takes a great amount of fortitude to admit a mistake. Whether CP is a mistake or not is not my choice to make but yours.