Us white people be STRAIGHT UP GANSTA TRIPPIN:
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Act like you know.
Not just GODlike, ElderGODlike.
yes, of course.
Have you even read it? it only analyses the relationship between the frequency of spanking your child with the amount of aggressive behaviour between parents. That study doesn’t cover the effect of spanking on the child save for one line in the intro. I can’t follow the reference link on my iPad and I don’t need to because there no possible way you can conduct a study on child development and not have it be within a vacuum.
We’re you spanked?
nah, pretty sure it’s the mindset that crafts posts like below why its goin nowhere:
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‘100% of good parents are people who have kids; 0% of people who don’t have kids are good parents. I think your logic is flawed.’
is this that reasonig skills you goin to use on your kids?
instill that logic
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but maybe instead of ‘logic’, you meant ‘psychological manipulation’ (which is what you may have to resort to when dealing with an average childs mind)?
sounds healthy
Of course it is. Especially since opponents for corporal punishment like yourself are always quick to point out the negative long term effects of spanking. you link the negative behavioural characteristics of the spanked child with just being spanked, when in reality it takes a whole lot of other parenting fails to end up that way.
Do you know how objectivity works? The only way to come to a conclusion on ANYTHING is to isolate it. The studies show that more often than not the children that were spanked had negative effects. This means that spanking is part of the problem not the whole problem. Studies on child behaviour have also shown that income level (and so quality of life in terms of poverty and non-poverty) has a negative effect on child behaviour. They are co-factors, something which every problem in society has. If the existence of co-factors causes you to dismiss OBJECTIVE evidence on the basis that ‘its too complicated!’ then i think there’s some personal bias.
show me the study you have read showing the negative effects that spanking produces I would genuinely like to read it for myself
Like most people on SRK my mom was pretty tough on me however, unlike most of you I don’t believe hitting your kids is ever a good idea. And although I don’t condone it, I also don’t think spanking your kid automatically makes you the worst parent ever.
Mind you I’m a noob when it comes to the topic since I’m not a parent this is just my 0.02. I’d like to hear what SRK parents (especially RC like I said earlier) think about this somewhat controversial issue.
I haven’t read this thread at all, but I’m just going to assume a lot of the posts are pissing matches between who’s parents doled out the harshest punishments as if it’s a badge of honor. Because really, that’s what these types of threads usually devolve to sadly.
I didn’t link shit.
EDIT:
Okay, the full import of what you’ve just said finally sank in.
I think you’ve got something awfully backward.
This thread is full of people attributing poor child behavior to the lack of spanking. In rampant fits of confirmation bias, they are ignoring the boatload of potential confounding factors and arbitrarily zeroing in on the absence of corporal punishment as the basis of this behavior.
Scientists aren’t stupid. They know that there are plenty of confounding factors that might influence their observations. That’s why when they conduct studies, they control for those confounding factors. They develop the means to account for other stuff that might interfere with the clarity of their results. That’s what makes a study scientific.
In other words, when a bevy of experts pool their results and find a consistent trend that says something is a certain way, they’ve already systematically ruled out those other factors in order to isolate the effects of the one they’re looking at.
Know what the proponents of corporal punishment are doing in this thread? Hint: not this. ^^^
After this reply, this thread should’ve been closed.
Yes that’s a fair point. It works both ways , children today most probably aren’t more disrespectful than our generation soleley or even largely because of a lack of spanking.
The reason I want to read the study you or the other guys reference is because I want to see how they account for the confounding factors and attribute negative effects to spanking specifically.
Remember when the pediatrics association used to recommend sleeping kids on their stomachs at night, then found out that actually kills them? Hilarious.
It’s a good thing that studies, specifically in the social sciences, are never biased by the prevalent public opinion of the time.
I am a scientist. I have studies.
a study of 9953 individuals. This is one i have saved in my favourites (because it is quite a divisive issue). If you are genuine then i’d like any links to any studies that show spanking has positive effects on behaviour (long-term of course). Unless you made your decision based on your own experiences only which is perfectly fine since it is your kid. Me personally i like to combine my own experiences with the experiences of others and objective evidence to make a decision.
scientists: we use 10% of our brain adjusts glasses
humans have the tendancy to focus in on a core concept in order to make sense of things, like someone crossing on top of a falling tree covering a raging river while holding onto a rope.
this discussion is now a pool of rabid dogs fighting for whatever meet gets thrown in, it’s degenerative and I’d advise people to stay away from it
Scientists are human and so some are stupid aswell. Point being take everything with a grain of salt.
If a scientist is proven to be wrong that is a good thing because then the scientific method is working. I think im gonna follow suit and leave this discussion.
Where in that post do I condone anything her father ever did to her? I was just saying how she grew up. I even said in that post there is a difference between beating/abusing compared to a smack for discipline. In a few posts later I said that I in no way condone anything her father ever did and if I ever met him it would be hard not to kick his ass. Even she thinks that a smack every now and then if fine. Too many people think that getting one smack on the ass is the same as getting a beat down.
First off: Nigga no scientist is telling people that shit anymore. Scientist work on best available evidence. I assure you that there are a lot of constraints or preliminary studies that have to be done for them to get funding for things. The thing that sucks the most is that if you don’t study some big sexy thing, odds are that you aren’t getting money. Similarly they work on some very real logistics constraints which is why in depth surveys like the ones used are so valuable. Demographers love the census because every 10 years they get a new data set.
They real problem with hitting a kid is that 99% of the time there is a better option for dealing with the behavior. Most often than not you could piece a more creative way of going about with teaching your child the shit they did was wrong. For example the parent that shot his daughter’s laptop handled shit without smacking her. There are a lot of other ways in which he could’ve maybe driven the point home that did not involve destroying the computer or taping it all; but it sure as fuck made for a great lesson on internet etiquette. It easily could be construed as abuse because of how bombastic it was.
Regardless of it all there are too many parents that think corporal punishment is the go to punishment: this is a problem because the act has no damn significance to it. I’ve seen kids that doesn’t react to getting smacked in the least.
10% of the brain. Talk about focusing on core concepts though: ever think that a lot of you niggas giving scientist shit for having said outrageous shit before should instead be happy that they are constantly reassessing things and getting new information on the subjects? I mean shit as far as I know I have a couple of studies to really analyze and the odds are there that I may have to eat 8 pages worth of posts. Welcome to science, you eat your words for breakfast, then again for lunch, dinner and after you a win noble prize.
that’s all well and good, but there are plenty of parents out there with plenty of money to get plenty of good psychology but get plenty of no results
hey nobodies mocking scientists, scientists have done a hell of a lot of good, all I’m pointing out though is that just like anybody else scientists get things wrong too, so doesn’t use the word “Scientist” in the same way as a religious person would say “God”. Hierarchical enchantment is a hard thing to shake off, I know. but watch out for those epistemological land minds, they’ll get ya :wonder:
Thank you for the link, it’s an interesting read. From my own experiences I can assure you that spanked children can grow up to be completely mentally sound, smart and successful adults. On the other hand I can also see that there’s a correlation between spanking and those negative effects as highlighted by your study. So how can I reconcile these two conflicting facts?
Cp is a tool that’s easily abused. I’ve witnessed Inexperienced parents being overwhelmed by the pressure of parenthood and resort to cp out of frustration. I’ve seen parents too lazy to take the time to discipline in a more restrained way and resort to spanking just because it’s easy. That’s the sort of spanking that does no good IMO.however that’s not all i consider when deciding whether cp is right or wrong, this study doesn’t account for confounding factors either which I believe are more important in cultivating a stable, smart and successful adults.
I can list a number of things I remember from my childhood interaction with my folks that I know has strongly shaped my character, and spanking isn’t one of them. If I didn’t have a lot of positive reinforcement and love then the absence of that would be far more likely to have had negative effects on my mental state than the occasional spanking I received. By ignoring confounding factors the study almost implies that the sample group were great parents except for the spankings they administered. The opposite is more likely to true if the parent feels the need to regularly give spankings. Ultimately there’s a million and one daily interactions between parents and children that build a foundation on which your character develops, i think irresponsible cp is just a minor symptom of poor parenting, and the results of the study don’t reflect that.