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I’ll admit that just making the generalization “blocking beats Bison” was stupid. So I shouldn’t have said that in my earlier post. But the basic point I was getting at is that Bison only seems incredibly cheap if you give him free damage, as alot of average SFIV players tend to do once they become frustrated. Same deal with Rose. If you watch an average player fight a decent Rose, you’d normally see them lose most of their vitality due to their refusal to just block in certain situations. So in short, I don’t think Bison’s safe pressure is that bad, unless you’re playing Hakan or Dudley. I do, however, concede that his retarded arsenal of safe reversals is pretty ridiculous, especially for alot of characters that have no answer for them.
Safe reversals? We are talking about SFIV here right?
But he’s always jacking it when he’s thin and standing still when fat.
^^ first one is shooting some dice. Second one is clearly jerking off a ghost of some sort. Third is… well probably jerking another ghost off
Yeah I mean what am I missing here? Taken directly from the Eventhubs Bison guide: “Bison also has some of the best defensive options in the game with five different invincible reversals.” Is five not enough?
What are you talking about? Who ever said Bison didn’t have a shit load of escape options?
The guy who I quoted.
Actually, Bison is worse than Yun at your level
and they all lose to OS dp 
well, ex-scissors goes through iirc. i just block against opponents that i know OS. many characters have [non-dp] OS’s that beat almost all of his options. but who cares about option selects when people can bitch instead of learn
I wouldn’t say being able to poke people to death. I’d say you HAVE to. See below
its true though, although for different reasons. Bison doesn’t have those tools. He doesn’t have big combos, or viable combos that aren’t either cLK x 3 -> SK, or another 3 hit bnb into SK. FADCing is virtually useless for him. All he has is gimmicky mindgames and constant chipping (chipping that got fucking nerfed with the SK pushback nonsense.
I’m seemingly alone at this it seems, its just my opinion so take it with some salt.
I’ll go over his reversals and put some examples ;
EX-PC = Can be thrown from and loses to DP and some normals
EX-SK = Beats most normals but is unsafe on block and loses/trades with DP’s
EX-HS = Is just outright bad, the damage is good though
EX-DR = Pretty safe but can be air thrown, loses to air tatsus like Ken’s and to some air normals like ryus j.strong
Teleports = Sometimes ok but have plenty of recovery ( Bison finds doing these really funny )
All of these have counters and can be OS’d most of the time ( Daigo OS with Ryu for example, and plenty of tatsu OS’s etc…)
Just my opinion, feel free to point me wrong maybe I’d learn something.
The mere fact he HAS that many reversals should let you know that isn’t a weakness of his. Everybody can have their reversals baited or countered. Welcome to Street Fighter. The difference is that with Bison, you can play well with what he has. I’ve never worried while knocked down as BIson. More so when I have to deal with constant jump pressure from people like Blanka, Ken, and Ryu. Teleport, ex-PC, and ex-DR are all you need to stay safe on knockdown, just realize which one to use, and which one your opponent is likely baiting from you.
And Bison is only hated by scrubs. Kinda like when people first started with Vanilla, and Blanka was getting all the hate because scrubs couldn’t deal with the craziness of Blanka balls. Now he’s a joke of a character, barely holding on to his C Tier ranking (although Blanka Balls still fuck up characters like T Hawk).
Same shit with Bison, only the flipped the fuck out scrubs got their wishes, and Bison had his sHK, AND SK, AND HIS FUCKING U2 nerfed with a fucking bat made up of a rolled up calendar with all the Tuesdays ripped out. Three hella important tools that got nerfed, because people were jumping into sHK, or couldn’t deal with a fucking small SK loop (while rekka domination exists in Fei Long land), or couldn’t block a crossup ultra (or were stupid enough to jump on our wakeup or throw a stupid ass obvious fireball). The moment Bison started popping up in A tier, he got the smackdown from Ono right quick.
I gave up all beliefs that Capcom truly wants a balanced game a LOOOONG time ago.
Oh no, I’m aware that all of his reversals can be shut down by a variety of characters. But my point was, his plethora of escape options is the only aspect of his character that I’d deem “cheap”. His safe pressure and “braindead” footsies are often called cheap/scrubby by alot of players, but I disagree. Though, most people who say such things are just XBL warriors that are salty because they lost to a subpar Bipson online, so maybe it’s not even a point worth making. 
the character i hate the most is (i know they’re beatable but still)
-Blanka I just Cant stand him i dont know if its his moves or appearance i hated him since i was 4yrs old
-Sakura well,i dont hate the character but i hate how most people play her online I.E crouching all day and using Cr.HP or Cr.MK
-Balrog cause most people will hit you or chip you once or twice then go to the opposite end of the stage and hold downback all day 
-Yun cause most players will mindlessly spam the Palm move knowing that even if i trade with them it will mostly be in yuns favor or they throw out random Lunge punches 
Basically what I’ve gathered from this thread is Bison is broken and is easy wins due to LK SK pressure.
I guess that explains why these massive amount of Bison mainers do so well in tournaments and why everyone was crying how he needed to get nerfed two months after AE released.
i dont get why people dont practice fighting him, i recently found out dudley can punish most of his options with Cross counter EX MGB and punish his teleport with ultra 1
…who learns how to play games these days?
Get that shit out of here. Learning is for scrubs. Real players bitch until Capcom changes it.
This.i’ve been saying this shit since super came out,everytime people bitch about something instead of learning how to deal with it gives capcom an opportunity to make another plan to gain money from us hell, they probably Made MVC3 purposely bad so people can bitch about it and give them an excuse to make NEWgame