Input lag on ps3? WTF?

[Loghorn]

I’m going to do a test tonight with my PS3 and my CPS-3 board. Going to set up both side by side on CRTs with buttons wired to both at the same time and record the screen at 60FPS. This should show how many frames behind the arcade the PS3 is.

I’m looking forward to seeing it!

[papasi]

I’m going to do a test tonight with my PS3 and my CPS-3 board. Going to set up both side by side on CRTs with buttons wired to both at the same time and record the screen at 60FPS. This should show how many frames behind the arcade the PS3 is.

Nice. May I suggest you also do one more test with ps3 + hdmi > lagless LCD? That’s what most people use as well as used in tournament like EVO.

[instinct1]

i havent felt any input lag on ps3 version. i tested the the game with my ipod touch camera which is 25fps. i found that the game lags 1 out of 25 frame behind with all filters off. i m using samsung lcd with response time 2ms and madcatz TE. lag is pretty much there. so yeah.

waiting for some more authentic tests.

CRAAAAAAPCOM !!!

[d3v]

Okay, one of the the Tech Talk guys has been running tests on this. So far as he can tell, both the PS3 and XBox 360 versions have 4 frames of input lag on their CRT at 480p 4:3, 480p 16:9, and 720p. Now this 4 frames is about the same as most older Capcom games on the CPS2, however what we need for reference is how much input delay the 3S on the CPS3 had.

We’ve been checking this internally, and as far as we can tell, the time from [controller input recieved by game] to [game outputs the new game state] is always less than 1 frame. We haven’t yet been able to find a situation where this isn’t the case. So just looking objectively at the code, there doesn’t appear to be any additional input lag.

That’s not to say that people can’t still be experiencing offline input lag, just that we aren’t able to reproduce it with our dev tools so far. As far as we know, the image is outputting as fast as is possible on PS3. But we will continue to investigate.

This issue is further muddied by the fact that input lag can be added by a variety of things beyond our control, like: displays, controllers, converters, cables (HDMI with HDCP especially), and the PS3 system itself. Individual reports vary, and are difficult to evaluate because we can’t control for these things. But we’re definitely listening, and investigating.

Thank’s for the reply.

At the very least I wont have to play info mule and have to continually pass info from here to Sven.

Sure, but that’s not always technically possible, which is part of the reason why HDR was based on the Dreamcast port of ST.

Wasn’t it based on the SSFIIX for Matching Service since that already had built in netcode?

[desistyle3]

Where is this tech talk analysis?

[voltz]

See if you can test on the emulator ggpo used as well to match up the difference. I hear too many complaints about the timing being off and I’m willing to bet it’s all on their hardware/LCD setup.

[d3v]

Where is this tech talk analysis?

Private Tech Talk G+. Someone will post something once we have the time.

[Tebbo]

Add a led in the button circuit to show the exact beginning frame.

Classic ESN.

[MKKhanzo]

I’m going to do a test tonight with my PS3 and my CPS-3 board. Going to set up both side by side on CRTs with buttons wired to both at the same time and record the screen at 60FPS. This should show how many frames behind the arcade the PS3 is.

Do it plz an if its not much to ask, test dreamcast and PS2 versions to see if the Dreamcast version REALLY have input issues…

[TS]

i havent felt any input lag on ps3 version. i tested the the game with my ipod touch camera which is 25fps. i found that the game lags 1 out of 25 frame behind with all filters off. i m using samsung lcd with response time 2ms and madcatz TE. lag is pretty much there. so yeah.

waiting for some more authentic tests.

CRAAAAAAPCOM !!!

FYI response time has nothing to do with lag.

[Sablicious]

♫ *Crapcom made a bad, bad port… *Crapcom made a bad, bad port… ♫

[aznctguy00]

Nothing concrete until we see in-depth frame analysis of all systems and suggested displays, but here’s my input:

I’m using an optoma hd20 projector which I initially bought because I remember reading reviews that display lag was minimal with gaming. I’m also using just red parrying and ken/yun links in training mode to test so this isn’t official.

PC FBA Emulator: 0
360: around -1f diff from pc
PS3: around -2f diff from pc

At least for me, this confirms that its my display that’s the problem if other people are claiming that they don’t get any input lag on their CRTs.

[RyuReiatsu]

Iam playing on flat screen plasma and my only complaint is the random BIG ASS frame skip. Iam guess this is how they hide the lag. It doesnt feel like ggpo but its the first day so there may be some bugs. Honestly I had pretty decent connection in ranked matches but player matches omg. Personally I don’t like the multiplayer menu screens or options. Lol at people pressing x in player matches and losing turns.

You are wrong. GGPO hid the lag with frameskips too since it works with rollbacks. It works the same dude, you’re just thinking stuff because everybody’s bitching. I don’t know what filters you guys have put but I use widescreen + smooth. I’ve heard that resolutions that include the challenge bars make the game laggy. My friend changed it and told me it went fine after that, so you guys might wanna try this out.

Also, I don’t feel any difference to be honest. I’ve been playing on GGPO with my friend for years now and it’s basically the same on my PS3 (I play on an HD monitor with an HDMI to DVI cable.) And I’m usually a guy that notices lag A LOT, I remember choosing specific TVs on my BlazBlue meetups so that it wouldn’t ever throw my timing off.

My only lag issues came in around my last few matches with an online friend (he’s in the US, I’m in Canada.) But for the most part, it worked LAGLESSLY.

Ive heard good and bad which just simply means this…

#1 - Its on PSN LMAO

#2 - They must have a shitty connection

#3 - They need to Man Up and get the 3SOE NON-Scrub Version AKA 360 w/ better online

I still can’t believe the ignorance of PS3 users. PSN is FREE and it SUCKS! Go get 360 for Online Play.

I fucking lol’d. We have a 360 fanboy/PS3 hater here. PSN is all about YOUR OWN damn connection for christ’s sake. My internet connection is the highest available in my country for home purposes and I’m on wire. I have a few friends with the same while some others have shitty internet connections. Guess what? I never lag with the guys that have basically the same quality as I do. People should understand that upgrading their internet connection is more beneficial than to keep that shitty connection + paying for monthly xbox live memberships.

See if you can test on the emulator ggpo used as well to match up the difference. I hear too many complaints about the timing being off and I’m willing to bet it’s all on their hardware/LCD setup.

Me too. And what’s even funnier is that they probably didn’t notice it earlier due to playing SSFIV or other new gen game on these very same shitty setups the very first time they bought the games.

[Spirit_Juice]

I personally haven’t noticed much input lag, if any at all. I haven’t played any offline matches yet, but playing people with yellow ping, I was able to land plenty of hitconfirms and links without much issues. Trials are pretty fun. Overall pretty satisfied. My only issue is that the matchmaking system needs more options.

Honestly, I think people asking for something arcade perfect that do not regularly play 3S at an arcade are asking for too much. Asking for Capcom to deliver an arcade perfect port that they promised is a bit different, but anything else seems rather spoiled at this point. If there is 1-2 frames of input lag and you only plan on playing on console, this should not really be an issue.

[d3v]

Tech Talk post is up.

3S:OE Input Lag Testing

I did a simple 60fps camcorder input lag test for 3S:OE. Result: both consoles have 4f input delay. [S]This is identical to arcade ST and other Capcom fighters.[/S] I’m not positive if arcade 3S is the same, maybe someone else who knows can chime in. [This is not identical to arcade ST as previously stated. Later in the thread the NKI video was posted and it was noted that NKI starts his count on the input frame, not on the next frame. Lately lag discussion in Tech Talk has revolved around fra…

Result: both 360 and PS3 have the same amount of lag.

Now all we need is someone to confirm how much the CPS3 board had. As far as we know, older games on the CPS2 board also had 4f of lag, but we need to confirm if this is the same with 3S on the CPS3.

[SF3LP]

I thought the days of the shitty PS2 version were over. But their not. This version plays exactly like PS2, which is slower and has the same input delay

ps2 is faster meaning this version is NOT like ps2, and i think there was testing done that showed there was input delay on arcade, that post is probably long gone but thats what i heard

[Tebbo]

ps2 is faster meaning this version is NOT like ps2, and i think there was testing done that showed there was input delay on arcade, that post is probably long gone but thats what i heard

There has to be some delay on the cps3 board too because if there wasn’t we would all notice 4 full frames of delay even on the ideal setup. I would not doubt that there’s between 1-4 frames of input lag on a cps3 setup but we don’t really have an easy way to test that I guess.

Also what the hell someone saying OE plays like the PS2 port :looney:
Get to an arcade ParryAll and actually play the game as it was intended. You’ll find OE feels the most correct compared to every other port or emu.

Me too. And what’s even funnier is that they probably didn’t notice it earlier due to playing SSFIV or other new gen game on these very same shitty setups the very first time they bought the games.

No, the timing is off. You guys who’ve only played on emu really need to be a bit quieter because you’re making yourselves look stupid. Go play on cps3 all day then go play on fba. It will shock you.
hardware affects both players on ggpo since if it didn’t the game would desync instantly. timing is timing and the emu timing is much faster than arcade.

[aktham]

Tech Talk post is up.
3S:OE Input Lag Testing

Result: both 360 and PS3 have the same amount of lag.

Now all we need is someone to confirm how much the CPS3 board had. As far as we know, older games on the CPS2 board also had 4f of lag, but we need to confirm if this is the same with 3S on the CPS3.

I am 99% positive that the CPS III version has 4 frames on input lag. I saw a test result a long time ago. I’m glad results prove that both versions are identical (input lag wise anyway). I did have slowdown in Urien’s Stage when i super jumped EX tatsu with ken. I couldn’t replicate the incident tho.

[Jamp]

I am 99% positive that the CPS III version has 4 frames on input lag. I saw a test result a long time ago. I’m glad results prove that both versions are identical (input lag wise anyway).

This needs to be confirmed ASAP. I really want to see the whiners shut the fuck up.

[Arsenal]

So… that Tech Talk test pretty much shut everyone the fuck up, right?