Listen sammich, I’m the biggest Harley Quinn fanboy in this thread probably. But she doesn’t fit in a game where they are stressing showcasing DC’s cast of godlike characters. The game’s called “Wrath of the Gods” when I see her here she sticks out like a sore thumb.
Maybe it’s because they have only shown six characters in which most of them are way above her paygrade and it’ll get less weird as they add characters but she doesn’t fit what the game is hyped to be.
Of course she’s popular but didn’t you guys go on a huge rant about how popularity doesn’t mean you always deserve to be in? This is one of those times imo.
Gods among us actually but your general point remains unchanged. I think the main difference here is that we look at the game differently. You take the title literally (which is a valid view to take) I look at it purely as a catchy title that may or may not have storyline significance. I see this as a what will probably be the definitive dc fighting game, so I want all facets of the universe to be covered, including the many quality street levelers. I mean they have explained that Batman being able to hang with the big leagues strength wise (instead of just awesome wise) will be covered in story, I would assume that would cover the other street levelers. So I have no problem with the precedent set. (Personally my ridiculous choice few would follow would be The Question, I have no Idea how he would be made different enough to fit, but damn do I want him).
I think you misunderstand my point about popularity (which is understandable, my explanation could definitely lead to your conclusions). I have no problem with the inclusion of popular characters, I just want it to be balanced among the dc properties. I also tend to value comic popularity over media popularity, though I don’t completely rule that out (oddly enough Harley fits both, though her new 52 appearance is still being debated)
For example in mvc3 there a quite a few xmen due to the popularity of the characters, which I have no problem with. But I would not like the game to be all xmen, it sells the rich history of marvel short. So it was nice they got into some less well known series among the general populace. That said the series they did go into had their popular characters chosen. For example among the cosmic fanbase, Nova and Rocket Raccoon are insanely popular, among the general fanbase, not so much.
Same deal here, I have no problem with the inclusion of Batman characters due to their popularity, I just prefer that the game is not all Batman characters as it sells dc short. So I prefer that they expand to other series. Using the Captain Cold example, he is insanely popular among the flash fanbase, but someone like Cicada on the other hand is another flash villain who is not very popular among the flash fanbase, so I would never argue for his inclusion over a more well known rogue.
That’s a fine argument you got there and I respect it but my problem is just…how is Harley Quinn gonna really effect a battle of this proportion with handguns and a mallet? I love HQ, she can do no wrong in my eyes and I even see no problem with her outfit tbh but she just feels weird here this early to me.
Batman-He knows everything!!!** Superman**-He’s got more powers than gods!!! ** Wonder Woman**-A pure, untainted, honorable immortal who lives to fight evil
Flash-This guy is faster than superman and can’t be hit by anything!!! Soloman Grundy- He’s a super zombie!!!
Harley Quinn-She’s a psycho clown who shoots people and hits them with a hammer.
See my problem here? While she is a badass no doubt she just doesn’t fit with what we have been shown so far. I wish they had shown Circe from the start, or Cheetah or…oh yes **Big Barda!!! **
Then shown Harley later once they announced like Deathstroke or Black Canary or something so she looks like she could actually win one of these fights.
Also I have no idea how Question would be in this game, I like him as a character but don’t see how he would work because I think DeathStroke and Bats are gonna get all the Human fighting abilities.
I dunno what he would do besides basic punches and kicks and he’s not the best at that plus Harley and Stroke are gonna have guns so…
I don’t even have ideas for how he would play but it’s not looking good for him because NRS wants big dramatic supers and Question is all about being subtle.
Oh I am aware, just brought him up because of my street level tangent. He is that one character that I know wouldn’t work (though given enough time I could make a working movelist for him, but the same can be said for anyone), but my fanboyism makes me want to see him nonetheless. I’m honestly meh on Harley,but shes in so i’ve accepted it. Still she is quite competent as a fighter. As for the effectiveness of the guns and hammer, there probably more effective then a standard batarang so I don’t find it a big deal. If Deathstroke shows up I expect him to cap all kinds of @$$. Maybe seeing more street levelers would help.
I can see the Question working. As far as the “special” button button goes, they can go the city shaman route. Have no idea how that would translate into gameplay. Alternatively, make him a counter character a la Hakuman.
For fun here is a quick proof of concept movelist.
Throw: Arm Snap followed by karate chop to the back of the neck
Special 1:Throws a vial that explodes on impact, substance burns the opponent. Ex move: throws a match/lighter and sets the substance on fire
Special 2: Forward dash while pulling pipe out of trenchcoat, diverges into 1 of three moves, a baseball swing to the torso, golf swing to the legs, or a overhead swing. Ex move: a grab after the dash that grabs opponents head and drives knee into it, stunning them
Special 3: Aerosol flamethrower anti air (I admit ripped off from Rorschach, but hey he ripped of question)
Special 4: Counter, he performs a blocking motion, if blocked he performs a dempsey roll. Ex: follows up with judo throw
Trait Button: Ripped off from joker, but since they are changing the mk vs dc characters’ moves, he probably won’t be using it
The question is surrounded by his signature gas, either doing what the joker did and have a series of concealed moves come out of it, or use it similar to invisibility from mortal kombat.
Super: Surrounded by puff of gas to activate, the question is hidden. The question then drives through the cloud with his car, bailing before impact. The car explodes on impact.
^ Yeah that movelist sucks and I’m sure I don’t want him in now lol. Before I saw that I wasn’t against it just didn’t see how it’ll work but now? No, no Question. He fits worse than Harley tbh.
If you want a street lvl character in the game they should get Huntress. More and more people know who she is from many mainstream appearances and she has a devoted fanbase in the comic world. I admit I hate what they did to her in the New 52 but she would be the shit. Think about DC Universe’s battle mode when you play her against others.
Personally I’m waiting on either Atrocitous or this man…
the “explanation” for why superman and batman can fight eachother equally will be as shitty as the mk vs dc one was and won’t explain anything. wich is fine, because that’s exactly how it goes in crossover comic books anyways.
Here is a short video interview with lead designer John Edwards:
He mentions that every character in the game will have specific abilities named ‘Heroic Traits’, and in Harley Quinn’s case, she can pull random items out of a bag, which in turn give her buffs such as increased damage or a health boost.
He also states that the script for Injustice’s story mode is receiving contributions from well-known DC writers such as Jimmy Palmiotti.
Presuming they use one bar segment, they’re unusually common too, you get up to 3 (if you don’t use any EX/gimmicks) and it’s (I think) still separate from your super bar.
It all sounds good to me. I’m just happy (and really surprised) they’re doing RC’s for this game. If it only takes a third or a whatever… woooooh boy this games gonna be crazy.
I also think the article mentions some characters can air dash and stuff, unless I read it incorrectly. That will be cool too.
I dunno, I thought it was called the “Heroic Trait” or “Trait” button or something lol. I don’t think any developer would officially call anything a Gimmick. Would be funny though.
