yeah sigh Ibuki in the new version definitely dropped down the tier-list, but frankly I’ll glad she has an easier time with Cammy, Balrog, and (possibly) Zangief. If your opponent isn’t getting hit by the vortex, you’re winning because of techniques which are better with Yang ect. Launching is easier to start and a lot more ambiguous (safe) with Yang. Ibuki’s just a more damaging version with less priority. Great for beating up people with bad defence.
Yo, no worries about deleting my posts. That was due to College and having like, zero time to play Street Fighter for more than 20 minutes a week.
Even better is when you stuff it in Super after they complain about it in AE.
‘Sigh’ I’m not saying I’m an expert with Ibuki or Yun but I’m still entitled to have an opinion. Me saying Ibuki has a chance against Yun is based on what I’ve seen during my time here in Japan. I haven’t seen all the top Yuns here yet, but out of the top Yun’s I’ve seen so far, I’ve seen them all lose to Ibuki players. It just seems like she gets her ass kicked at first then gets one knock down and it’s game over for the opponent. That’s how the matches go, I agree that if Yun gets on her in can just as easily go the other way as he has similar comeback potential on her but that’s why I said ‘she has a chance’ and not ‘she beats him’.
Instead of just drawing your own conclusions, why not just ask? I’m here in Japan with some of the best in the world. I can watch matches and give you all feedback or even ask players anything and get opinions and stuff. If you have questions, please message me on my facebook.
Iyo’s Ibuki raped almost everyone tonight here at Ikebukuro Safari arcade. Getting wins in the 20’s nearly every time. Only Daigo was keeping up with him wins wise. Iyo lost to Yang at the end of the streak.
That’s usually how every match up plays out for her against characters like that. The same could be said for Ibuki VS Cammy/Rufus. It doesn’t necessarily mean those match ups are good for her.
I guess it was kinda dick-ish of me to word it how I did though, my bad.
What do you mean about Launching them easier Izuna? I just remembered something else about Yun now that you brought that up. When you do her combo that ends with the HK HK launcher and SJC for the mix up, if you do MK she lands waaay earlier than Yun so it really has no element of surprise.
I don’t think Ryan Hart knows what he’s talking about either. I don’t care how many years he’s been playing SF. I’ll believe him when he gives us some concrete evidence and not just his word.
I’m talking about Yang. Yang is like 3S Ibuki, he’s probably got the best launcher mix-ups in the game. Ibuki’s Okizeme is probably on par with Yang’s launchers in terms of ambiguity, but is safer yet less damaging. I definitely prefer that.
Pretty much, and on NSB streams Yun vs. Ibuki doesn’t look as bad as it seems when I play, who isn’t exactly on the level of NSB players. Perhaps littlesushi/MingoDynasty can also do that well again those Yun players, I couldn’t know, but from my point of view (and anyone else reading), there’s more of a chance you’re more right.
There’s definitely a safe-jump set-up to stop Yun’s EX Up-kicks, I just don’t remember where I’ve seen it. This is what the Ibuki forum would like to know.
However, despite this… I think Yun is probably one of the hardest for Ibuki. In terms of meter-management, Yun gets meter way too fast that in the second round Ibuki can’t vortex, and it seems there’s no Okizeme available.
I think you guys are thinking about dashing up to him and neutral jumping him and pressing lk as you land. Yea sure that works, but let’s get serious. Not only is there no mixup to that, who is going to eat that more than once if once at all. Does Ex Shoulder have armor?
I got some pretty shaky and scrubby footage I’ll be uploading later tonight. It doesn’t really show a whole lot but it does show some command throw setups and me getting raped by dive kicks cause of the range and me dashing for no reason.
i’m pretty sure when you see, first hand, arguably the best yun in japan/world getting beat by 2 different ibuki’s repeatedly, it’s hard to believe that the match-up is that “terrible”. if it was one, i could understand being weary. but two?
You’re safe jumping, of course it’s going to be a tad obvious. That’s why you mix it in alongside other okizeme options to keep him guessing, or at the very least, reacting to new stuff and not just the same setup every time. I know Ibuki is all about the okizeme game, but her safe jumps still have utility.
Maybe homeboy needs to learn how to block vortex or whatever was getting him beat. If you’re talking about Daigo, he does play really reckless sometimes, I don’t know anything about the Kazu guy I think you’re talking about. I don’t think anything is un-winnable, but you’re almost making it sound like Ibuki has an advantage over Yun by watching one or two guys get beat.
To be quite honest, I really don’t care what the Japanese do either, especially with Ibuki. Just saying, don’t take it the wrong way. I don’t think anyone has found the correct way to play Ibuki yet. This was kinda meant towards Tribal and not Ryan, as we’d appreciate any insight on these matches that you might have for us.
Anyways, got some videos uploading, nothing really spectacular or ground breaking but my friend was being an emo fairy and I only got footage of what I could.
Ibuki VS Yang:
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This was actually my second match or so against Yang and probably the only one that I played that kinda knew what he was doing. Unfortunately it is the only one I got on video and it doesn’t really show much. Some things to note so you guys can take into account.
TC4 connecting fully on crouching block after her CR. LK. This is actually pretty important to note as this DOES miss on Yun and he will punish you.
-Counter hit with a jab after he blocked the TC4, wonder if he was trying to mash MP to start a combo, could be.
-At about 25seconds in, look how fast he gets out of range after landing a dive kick. Also, even though it was not shown in this video, I was hitting far standing jab after he did one rekka swipe like he did there.
-Either Yang’s dive kicks have less hit stun, he was always doing them bad, or he has slower pokes than Yun, but he seemed to have a harder time actually getting anything done when hitting me with a far dive kick unlike Yun.
-At about 1:03, look at his EX Teleport move. It is hit invincible but it can be thrown. I guess treat it like Abel’s roll. Pretty sure the non ex versions were hit invincible also so I guess they’re exactly like Abel’s.
-Only far standing jab was shown in this video after TC4 and I actually forgot if you can do the LK swipe loop on him, sorry.
-His DP is nowhere near as good as Yun’s to get out of vortex.
I played a couple of Yang’s here and there and I’m actually 100% against him at the moment. Obviously that does not mean much as I don’t know how far along these guys are with Yang, but in all honestly I think he’s getting blown up for no reason. Never did I feel as scared to fight him as I do against Fei Long as I personally don’t think his Rekka is anywhere as good as Fei’s. Only couple of things to look for where his jump in MK when expecting a dive kick, his super which one guy did it incorrectly after missing a combo and he was jumping over me and I didn’t know which way to block (lmaoooo). I’m actually not even sure if his command grab is as good as Yun’s.
-Back MP gets beat/trades with his Dive Kick a lot. CR.MP always seems to win. Forgot the results on standing medium punch.
-If you’re going for max range ST.MP into ST.MK, watch out for his CR.LK.
-Notice the popular command grab setups. Blocked dive kick -> MP -> command grab. Also saw CR.LK, CR.LP, Command Grab a lot. He even did an EX command grab after hitting me with CR.LK and CR.LP with no pause (unlike Fei’s).
-CR.MP buffered into neckbreaker at the start of the match is an okay idea. Normal Lunge Punch does not get beat out it does against Fei’s Rekka. Not sure on EX.
-Fake palm is extremely tricky. It made me waste both super and U2 trying to react punish it.
-Notice the fake palm into EX Command Grab setup. Pretty sure normal palm hits you if you hold up.
-TC4 into far standing jab, TC4 into LK Swipe Kick loop both work.
-CR.LK->TC4->LK Swipe Kick loop works, far standing jab does not connect after a full TC4 following a crouching LK. Maybe if you only do 1 mp but I’d rather just loop.
-His crouching hit box seems to be smaller than Yang’s. CR.LK -> TC4 will whiff on the MP part and he has enough time to mash out a MP. Felt like I was missing far standing jabs also.
-There’s some failed safe jump setups there lol. I didn’t really put much effort into them, sorry.
-You should not focus as he has a really strong target combo that hurts.
-If you try to attack him at the start of the match and end up eating a counter hit palm, it does more than her whole name in damage. Balanced, I know.
-U2 beats out EX Lunge Punch.
-EX Lunge Punch definitely +advantage. He Counter Hit my CR. LP after I blocked it.
-New Kunai jump back nerf gets raped real hard by HK dive kick.
-SJC MK Command Dash after her launcher target combo is pretty weak.
Hmm, I don’t know how to wrap this up. I feel this could easily be her worst new match up. Execution and pretty much everything was terrible in these matches as neither I or the stick I was playing on was 100% lol. I actually just got like a brain fart and forgot what else I was going to write ;\
I don’t have any videos of me against Evil Ryu or Oni. Besides Evil Ryu’s CR. MK, he should be easy to figure out. I wrote up some notes about him earlier if you want to read that.
I’ll write more if I think of anything. I actually have some more matches against Yun but I had a sticky MP and uhh, I wasn’t exactly sober lmao.
If anything is new and someone wants to post it in whatever match up chart you could be making, feel free.
who mentioned anything about vortex? regardless, it’s funny how “she can hang” turns into “has an advantage”. i’m just saying she’s not as terrible against yun as you’re making her out to be.
Hmm, some are some aren’t. I think it’s that footage I linked is of the first decent Yun I played, he was really DP happy so I started just baiting them. They all do use DP to get out of vortex though, seems like a Balrog headbutt with a rocket launcher strapped on his back. I have some more random footage I uploaded of some more Yun play but the camera work is really ghetto and I was slightly intoxicated so I won’t link it lmao. There’s a couple other things to see in there if you’re curious though.
tribaL saying that the match-up isn’t unwinnable is fair enough, but we’re exploring ‘why’. From what we know, it’s not a great match-up, which is why littlesushi is helping tremendously by uploading these videos (playing matches when at the same time testing info).
Are you trying to motivate us or something? We’re not dropping Ibuki or anything (not all of us anyway).
That’s exactly what I’m saying. You’re just basing your assumptions on so and so getting beat by an Ibuki player so Ibuki can hang. That’s like if some random guy walked into Round 1 a couple days ago and saw me with my 20+win streak on a Yun player, and then came to post here on the Ibuki forums with no information backing up why the match up is good and say “yo that shit is free”. Even by saying that she can hang is misleading. I mean technically anyone can hang with anyone. I was the one with the 20 wins in a row, and I’m saying it’s rough.
Maybe if you had some info on why the match up was good we could see things differently. Obviously my opinions could be biased right now as I haven’t had 7 months to play against him, but from what I’ve seen, and from what little time the USA is gonna have to prepare (1month till evo), it’s gonna be rough. I asked about 20 people what they thought about Yun, these are people that have been playing against him since day 1. 19/20 said he was broken, 1 said he was really good, that was a super solid Chun with amazing reaction times.
I’m just trying to do what I can to prepare people for the shit storm that is Yun.
Oh yeah, an interesting thing I got hit with that I thought I’d let you guys know. I don’t know if it’s character specific or if it just works on everyone, but it’s actually pretty tricky as it doesn’t make sense lol. I was in stunned and he hit me with a level 3 focus, he did his launcher kick and I think (not sure on this) did his dive kick after to reset me. As I was landing on the ground, he did a meaty shoulder on my land, this hits from the OPPOSITE side, but he’s definitely in front of you after. I guess it’s going to play similar to some of the dive kicks Cammy has in Super where you have to block the first one a certain direction, and block the follow up another direction even though it doesn’t look that way.
Look at the reset in the second round GeneiJin. Launcher is right before that. He actually tries to do the mixup I was talking about but it looks like he reset him in the air with the wrong button.
/edit - son of a bitch. Actually looking at that combo, the reason it does so much damage and resets is because he DOES do what I was talking about. And mid genei-jin also? Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
I know Yang can after FADC’ing some swipes, don’t know about Yun though. I mean I know he can just hit you with a dive kick into a launcher but that probably won’t be done much. Good thing that guy explained to me about that shoulder glitch though, I’ll have to test it out to make they all hit from the back after that reset or else Genei-Jin could be scarier than what we thought.
Looking at it again it was a palm that caused the reset, I don’t know if that crosses up or he just wasn’t blocking at all. He does attempt the reset at around 1:54 though, I’ll be testing that day1 to see if it can reset mid Genei-Jin.
I’m pretty sure the Palm doesn’t cross-up, which would trade with most reversals. If that works on all characters he basically gets a mix-up mid Genei-Jin like that… Either one will re-launch into Ultra, which is pretty darn stupid.
who’s assuming? i’d say i’ve had enough hands-on with ae. probably as much as anyone on here, if not a bit more. all i’m saying is that she’s better than you’re making her out to be. don’t expect an argument though because, quite frankly, i don’t have time for one. the length of my posts, and how much i post, should be proof enough of that.
I’m not saying I’m an expert with Ibuki or Yun but I’m still entitled to have an opinion. Me saying Ibuki has a chance against Yun is based on what I’ve seen during my time here in Japan. I haven’t seen all the top Yuns here yet, but out of the top Yun’s I’ve seen so far, I’ve seen them all lose to Ibuki players. It just seems like she gets her ass kicked at first then gets one knock down and it’s game over for the opponent. That’s how the matches go, I agree that if Yun gets on her in can just as easily go the other way as he has similar comeback potential on her but that’s why I said ‘she has a chance’ and not ‘she beats him’.