capcom had to nerf vega…they dident have a choice!! they couldent have him play well AND be so damn good looking! it would just be unfair to the rest of the cast!
There’s a huge laundry list of reasons why Vega is one of the worst (if not THE worst) character(s) in the game.
Coming into this ancient thread and going “lol u just suck Vega is fine” is moronic at best.
This wow. Really come on. Sure this is a whole laundry list as to why Vega sucks. But lets start.
AA - you have Stardust Drop, at the right distance Cosmic Heel works wonders, SHC is great for punishing jump ins and crossovers, and Scarlett Terror?..you say it sucks, but it doesn’t work like a SRK, if you still havent realized this its because you suck, you haven’t annalized Vega’s hit box and well instead of figuring it out you complain. So if you notice light ST hits where Vega’s face bgins and the back of his head, meduim kick starts at the mid section and stops hitting at the end of his head, and heavy starts at his knees and ends at the head. Ok depending on your reaction time and where is your opponent is reletive to you, you then use the corresponding kick. Thats why all the Zangiefs I play stop jumping in on me. Thats why when I played EMP Sabin he stoped jumping in on me cuz I never traded hits with him. And for crossovers dont cry about AA, Ryu’s doesnt have a SRK that magically turns around and hits the guy because Capcom loves him. And if you really need an answer to crossovers, well FA works well cuz the moment the hit connects you back dash and have enough time to recover so stop crying.
No damage output…HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Vega is king of zoning you dont need a projictlie to zone effectevly. You know when Ryu hadukens you, you can jump over it. and if your close enough you jump over hit mp in the air, followed by a combo. And stop throwing a FX FBA at random. Use it when you land df.rh or c.mp(c.mp only on a standing opponent). FA a lot to its a great tool.
FBA sucks. No it doesnt ok. If the opponent jumps back then whip out those claws on reaction. doesnt work well stop doing it at the end of screen then. do it in the middle. You need to gain ground? jump back and then jump off the wall or use FBA to bait a move. SHC use it when you connect a c.mp and use it to the wall closest to you. its great for pressure.
Ultra…Ill give you this it does suck. but learn to use it as AA, FB punisher or any whiffed heavy or special move.
And yes i did say Vega’s move are shit, but learing to hit confirm, control FBA, learning when to use it/how to bait moves/how punish them, learning how to use SHC and how to apply pressure, learing to combo of a jumping attack, learing how to punish moves, learning how to punish with jump ins or Scarlett Terror as AA, learning to use RCF as a punisher and set up. he is a very dynamic charecter where footsies, defense, hit confirm, high mobility, ability to bait moves, air superiority, PPP/KKK backflip, and EX combo’s are the basis of his game. To win with Vega you need a solid game, no gimmicks, excellent footsies.
And for people who say ST 2 FBA is better???..
no its not. Its still the same gimmick. its still easy to knock you out of the sky, easy to react to, and cant control the trajectory of his jump once in the air. The only thing you get is a less punishable move. And why is is Izuna Drop easier because of the strange hit boxes of that game thats why. Why the change of heart about Vega, because I did my homework. he has the advantage over Sagat. Why because the can dodge all of his tiger shots. They are easy to punish with Vega if he whiffs a move such as TS or TU. Your pokes are superior. Sagats huge hit box makes for an easier Izuna Drop. He cant punish a blocked RCF. And if he punishes your SHC then stop doing it on random, knocking you out of the sky then react faster or do it closer to the middle of the screen. What does he have on you. A TS. That leaves him way open and in a punishable state TU. Learn to block and dont pressure with c.lp when he is in your face. learn to connect c.lk into H.ST. Dont belive those matchup threads, because the guy doing them doesnt now how to use Vega, therefore it doesnt make sense to listen to him because he doesnt now how Vega’s game is at a high level of play.
you dunno what you’re talking about. go 'way.
We could sit here all day describing situations where his moves would and would not work…the point is that he does not have good ways of dealing with lots of the cast and becasue of that he sucks.
Throw out theory fighter all you want but in street fighter 4, Vega sucks. Hes my main and i’ll play him anyway cuz I don’t really care but don’t talk him up when you really don’t know.
Blame the player, not the character. 
This is one of the few situations where it’s fair to blame the game.
This pretty much summed it up - the post you quoted was 100% pure fucking theoryfighter with no basis in actual play or reality.
So I hope people figured out that Vega is a weak character.
try me if you dont believe me. OK. He has ways to deal with other charecters you just dont know. Dont belive me try me. Never heard so much whining, i dont even hear this much bitching the brawl forums fuck. And Ill throw out theory fighter all the fuck I want. Why because theory fighter is a big fucking part of the game. Which moves wiff at what distance, what leaves you open/what doesnt, when to jump, hit confirming, strategy, and footsies. Have you ever played ST 2 other than HD Remix? If you have you would now that theory fighter is a big fucking part of the game. Still dont belive me try me again!!!
As mentioned before, Vega is capable of winning, and I’m sure he’s more than enough for all your online sf4 needs… as long as you’re willing to work for wins. It’s not easy winning with Vega, because he doesn’t have any ‘oh shit’ moves. No auto-face SRK that gets him out of every crossup situation. No Lariat that gets him out of… shit… any situation, ever.
The issue with Vega is, if you do everything perfectly, and do everything right, you can win, but you have to work harder than with another character, and sometimes, most of the time, that’s the difference. If your opponent screws up, you can drop a 300 damage combo on him. If you’re Sagat or Ryu or Zangief and your opponent screws up, you can drop 600+ damage on him. See how things aren’t tilted in Vega’s favor?
Sadly Ultras a big part of this game, I honestly hate them and think they take away A LOT. If there were no Ultras, Vega would be in much better shape, but still have issues (lolmask).
That being said, unless you plan on playing in major tournies, Vega is sufficiant, definitely not top tier, but enough to get by with some rage inducing moments. I’ve tried all the other characters, and while I enjoy a couple, I really enjoy playing Vega the most. I do fine online, and I’d do much better if I played more, but I’m enjoying the character at least.
It’s only theory fighter if you assume there’s no worth in actually learning to play.
If you’re too simple minded to realize that someone like Vega has to make use of every move he has, then YOU are the one that shouldn’t be here.
Part of Street Fighter is learning about your enemy, seeing his patterns, observing how he plays, and adapting to that. And for that, you should learn which moves favor which situations. And then after learning what your opponent plays like, you can decisively choose which moves will be good for the situation, based on our “theory fighter”.
Also, theorycrafting is part of the learning process. If you can’t get that much, then why are you in the Vega thread to begin with? To leech off of the people who DO make valid strategies? The same strategies that wouldn’t be possible if we decided to make no more theories? I suppose you want everyone on the board to discuss how bad Vega is, because god forbid if we actually try to get better. That’s called Theory Fighter now.
Also, I want to see a video of both of you, Graphf and Merkicus. I want to see how you guys play, since we obviously don’t know what we’re talking about, I want to watch the masters in action.
Vega sucks. FINE. I can accept that. That doesn’t mean the player behind him has to suck. Otherwise there wouldn’t be players like Tatsu, or Bebop, or Sugiyama, or Yamazaki.
(PS pedoviejo: Can I add you? I really want to fight you. You seem to have great potential, and are good at coming up with new ideas)
ya but dude you gota agree that in comparison to the rest of the cast vega is not as good…any person who has played the game can tell you that. i do think that bitching about his faults is getting pretty old tho…most of the things you mentioned about when to jump, footsies, hit confirming…most of it is all easyier with the other characters…botom line is he doesent suck, hes just not as good as the rest of the characters
Well said. I think Vega has it a lot worse than one of my other faves, Honda, who has issues but at least does some serious damage to make up for things. Vega’s damage output is pretty weak.
Ok your right Vega is not as good as the rest of the cast, but let me put it this way.
When playing an educated opponent which I always do its always hard to jump in with any charecter, since he knows his options, footsies are a bit easier with a FB, but learning when to use a FB takes time because of the vulnerability you leave yourself if that move misses and he is close enough to jump in on you. Hit confirming is just as hard with everyone else, especially for people like Fuerte’s (Infinite), Ken, Able, Gen(Infinite), Sagat, Fie Long, and Cammy who rely on FADC to land hard hitting combo’s.
No. Only Blanka, Zangief, Akuma can land a 600+ combo and that is with Ultra without the FA crumble. Gen with four bars of EX can land a 600+ combo but that shit is hard. El Fuerte can but landing that first s.hp and reacting to it is just as hard. And Honda’s HHS 400+ combo is hard and just getting that first punch and reacting to it under pressure is hard. Cammy’s 400+ combo with 4 EX bars and Ultra. And lets not forget Barlogs 500+ combo with 4 EX bars and Ultra.
Honda has only one issue. Fireball’s. Ryu’s output is weak unless your in the corner and he has two 3 EX bars and Ultra stocked. Pretty much everyones output is weak unless they have a EX bar and there is an ultra involved.
Dude what are you talking about, have you seen the damage Chun, Viper or Rufus can put out in regular combos?
Check the fucking move/frame/ultra data if you don’t believe me - Vega does NOT hit hard and his combos are weak and his BnB requires EX. Why are we arguing this?
And Honda has issues with crossups and anti-air - it isn’t just ‘fireballs’ that beat him.
Chun’s output is very situational, Vipers’s output requires split second timing/mad skill/balls of steel that wont break under any pressure/EX bars, Rufus is controled his mad damage combo is j.rh EX Snake bite, but if he has EX why are you jumping in on him and his messhia kick combo why are you over him trying to hurt him on wake up. Messiah kick is the best reversal in the game dont fuck with that move. And if he has Ultra dont fuck with him. Play smart.
His bread and butter doesnt require EX. if you think that then you have failed as a vega player. Have you heard of df.rh->ST or c.mpxxL.RCF or cr.mpxxST or c.lkxxRCF/h.ST. By the way df.rhxxST does 308 damage as opposed to EX which does 315 wow not much of a diffrence if you ask me.
and for honda i personally its fireball’s because is headbutt and butt splash have invincibility frames. As for the cross up I wouldnt know since i would never main him or consider learning someone else since you can never truly learn a character.
why dont any of you sunzofbitches play on PSN? i wanna play u guys lol
let me get my uncles SF 4 right now Ill take on you. IM NOT PLAYING WITH YOU. iF I DONT GET IT ITS BECEAUSE HE DIDNT LET ME BORROW IT. BUT ILL GET IT RIGHT NOW.
EDIT: NO HE DIDNT LET ME BUT ILL GLADLY PLAY ANY XBOX 360 USER. bANNANA DO YOU HAVE A 360 IF NOT SUCKS. I GUESS ILL HAVE TO BUY ONE.
i got an 360 but not sf4 for it…but i am seriosly considering gettin it…but then i would need a new stick for it and an xbl acount ect…