It’s not just for viewers, it’s for players as well. You’ve probably never travelled 6-7+ hours to compete. People take this seriously, don’t undermine the players who put their life into it.
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If you can vouch that they agreed with you for 2/3 then running WFs as 3/5 was definitely not an official decision. There’s no valid reason to play 3/5 in LF’s, or WF’s for that matter. Okay.
but then you were on the internet and it was like NOPE
welcome to my world.
lol, no seriously though, i was looking back on this thread and i would read instances where people are making distracting scenes that can affect other people’s gameplay.
like i’ve read people spiking their arcade sticks, breaking stuff, and sucker punching people…
wtf is going on at these venues???
i mean, grown ass men throwing immature and childish tantrums in full out public???
yunno, i don’t wanna get distracted while i’m trying to pull off a super while competing in a match because someone is calling attention to themselves from the corner of my eye by:
breaking stuff, being loud, argumentative, obnoxious, violent towards others, spiking sticks, shattering shit, etc…
keep your ass composed, if not for your sake, then the people around you who are busy competing’s sake.
christ. that can’t be alot to ask of fellow tourney participators.
just say GGs regardless of whether you win or lose, and shake hands.
act like grown ups.
seriously.
reading these knuckleheaded behaviour problems makes me not want to EVER go to one of these tournaments to find myself stuck in an enclosed space with some of you nuts.
and i’m sure there are thousands of lurkers out there that feel the same way.
for TO, the remedy is simple:
you spike a controller at the venue floor=ejected from tourney, banned from big name tourneys for 6 months
you break even more shit going on nutty rampages at the venue floor=ejected from tourney+banned from tourneys for 1 year.
you commit physical violence i.e. felony assault and battery on anyone=ejected, cops called,+ banned for life.
simple.
easy peasy.
how is any of this crazy stuff being allowed to take place?
why are perps that have been known to occasionally pulling nonsense like this,… even in any way connected to these tourneys?
yunno, i maybe 13 years old on SRK forums…but i’m 36 in real life, and i don’t need people acting high schoolish in my presence.
i’m too old to be putting up with fools putting on infantile public tantrums and what not.
and from what i’ve read…seems alot of you guys have not matured at all…or are 13 years old in real life.
hmmm. this needs to get fixed too.
this needs addressing.
edit:
oh yeah, trash talking/taunting before,during, and after a match to your opponent=ejected, plus banned for 6 months.
forgot about the talking smack aspect of distracting others at the venue/tournament floor.
And what if it had been you vs. PR Rog originally, then changed to you vs. Inthul? Would you be so concerned about sticking with the original bracket then?
Except those two teams DID play 3 of 5 in winner’s finals. Check 1:26 and 1:44.
Your post doesn’t make much sense.
Seeding is fine. Seed by region. Then based on the size of the tournament, power seed like 8 or 16 players that you know are good enough to warrant that seed. Usually, there’s more than enough great players to fill those seeds. Everything else gets randomized.
I agree it’s hard to read his post. This is his main point.
Before WFs happened, they (Noel’s team, PR Rog’s team and devildigimon) talked about the 3/5 and decided against because it would take too long. They discussed this with webster/devildigimon which I assumed was in charge of the MvC3 team tournament. After he went to attend the MK section it seems WFs went down as 3/5 instead, without his consent.
Later in the post in the part you bolded, he’s referring to Loser’s Finals, where it was agreed upon to do 2/3 upon match start.
Seeding, when done correctly, makes double elimination tournaments have more accurate results. This is not arguable. If you disagree with this, you just don’t understand what is going on.
Let’s say you have an 8-man Lightsabre-duel tournament. Consider a situation where no seeding is done. Pool A contains Yoda, Darth Vader, Luke, and Obi-wan. Pool B contains four generic storm troopers. No matter what happens, the Top 4 of this tournament will contain two players from Pool A and two players from Pool B. This means that, according to this non-seeded tournament, two of the storm troopers are better at lightsabre duels than Luke and Yoda. Obviously this is not true; the bracket did not produce an accurate ranking of the skill of the competitors.
Now consider the same tournament, with accurate seeding. Pool A contains Luke, Vader, and two storm troopers, while Pool B contains Yoda, Obi-wan, and two storm troopers. The Top 4 of this tournament will be Luke, Vader, Yoda, and Obi-wan. This is obviously a more accurate representation of the skill of the entrants.
Seeding brackets does indeed “favour” skilled players by making it more likely they will finish near the top. But that is a good thing, because the whole point of a tournament is to produce a ranking of the entrants where skilled players finish near the top. Obviously, all this depends on the initial seeding being based on accurate information.
On to the actual topic…it seems like things have mostly been figured out. Seeding the bracket initially is fine, but changing it during the event is definitely not OK. The problem at PowerUp was that the organizer decided to “re-seed” the competitors deep into the tournament. He has come into this thread and admitted that that was a poor decision, and apologized. It seems like the whole “Top 8 bracket-fixing” thing has been resolved as much as it can be. Also, the 2/3 versus 3/5 thing seems like it was just a stupid misunderstanding. Obviously it sucks that it occurred, but mistakes happen.
Webster’s point was that they agreed to do 2/3 for WFs because 3/5 would take too long. They then did 3/5 without Webster’s consent.
The bolded parts dont match with what webster said:
That’s quite the stupid misunderstanding.
Seems pretty clear that everyone was on the same page about the 2/3 until Noels team lost.
I don’t get why you are trying to excuse this as, “These people don’t like me and are just out to hurt my name!”, when people are basing this on what they saw. Also, the last part is quite funny. “Look, I’m not racist, but I really hate…”
Let’s get a couple of things straight here:
- You were waiting to play a staff member, that is correct. Who DQs staff, especially when we know that they are playing other games and running pools? Is this your first tourney or something?
- When you forfeited, that was your decision. Judging by the way things were going in your match, you weren’t going to win anyway.
- You are a child.
Sorry for making you wait so long, but your immature behavior caused you to lose, not any of us.
If you think back,i sat back down because i actually thought that it was suppose to be 3/5 then justin and keits told me it was 2/3.shit was just poorly run tbh and should have been made clear before the tournament.it was a dumb situation in which you guys ended up getting fucked over but i wasnt trying to fuck over your team because common sense tells me that wf and lf are the same set.that never changes…EVER.I honestly didnt agree upon a 2/3,i just sat down and played.thats what it was.im glad theres no animosity here.
No idea how this thread went downhill and off-topic so fast.
If Justin was complaining because he saw a draft and wanted to play the opponent he was up against in the draft brackets… why was the bracket not finalized after initial seeding? When you get to top8, the player in winners in Pool 1 fights the player in winners from Pool 2, the player in winners in Pool 3 fights the player in winners from Pool 4, the player in losers in Pool 1 fights the player in losers from Pool 4, and the player in losers in Pool 2 fights the player in losers from Pool 3. That’s how a double elimination bracket works. It doesn’t get to change after it’s made, and there is no such thing as “re-seeding” a top8 bracket.
Honestly, the suggestion of Accelerated Swiss to top 16/32/64 (depending on tournament size) followed by double elimination afterwords might be workable, but it has the major downside of requiring more setups to run.
I see no issues with seeding though, so long as the process is transparent and only happens once like it is supposed to.
What looks to have happened was Webster told Noel that winners finals should be 3/5 but then they complained it would take too long so 2/3 was agreed upon with the understanding that Noel would tell everyone that all finals would be 2/3. When Justin’s team loses the 2/3 they just sit right back down and keep playing not telling the other team it was supposed to be 2/3 thus a 3/5 happened. Even spooky and ultradavid were surprised they were playing a 3/5 instead of a 2/3. But since the result was the same no one bitched. Then come’s humbag and specifically asks justin’s team whether its 2/3 or 3/5. Both teams agree to a 2/3 (its on stream). Humbag’s team wins everyone gets up and shakes hands. Then Noel goes finds Webster and ask’s him why loser’s final’s isn’t 3/5. Webster tells him that all final’s should be the same. Noel took that as saying since we got away with it the first time we should get away with it a second time just to be consistent.
didnt say you did. I just said i think YOU shouldnt be able to period.
isnt it common practice (although biased) to set up the brackets where friends don’t play friends as much as possible from the very beginning? i mean this one was mid bracket so yea fucked up.
I agree that, ideally, seeding should be done based on a measurable standard. That’s exactly why EVO implemented the current points system. I personally don’t see a big problem with seeding based on TO judgment as long as the TO is knowledgeable, however. It’s not just about putting on a show, it’s about trying to make sure the best players are going home with the top spots.
Trolololololol.