Well we could consider that for you to be known, you have to be an unknown who does something worthy of being known (which is where your exception Gamerbee comes in) but lets not go there.
But tell me what you think of this. Tourney with me, PR Rog, Daigo, Wong and Gamerbee with some others. We all put into different pools early and eventually at final 4 is PR Rog, Daigo, Wong and me (its an example work with it) and I had to defeat Gamerbee and Marn to get there. Now I am a total nobody but lets say Rog beats Daigo and I beat Wong. Rog wins tourney and I get second. Other than saying “that will never happen”, isnt this fair that they lost to complete nobodies. With all the placement at the beginning of the tournament, to have better matches later in the tournament and me and Rog pulling it out to get to the finals doesnt that make us “skilled”?
@hecatom: I agree it’s really easily abuseable, but seeding is still a good thing. It helps spread out the regions and make the brackets more balanced overall if it’s done right, both of which are good things for everyone.
yeah, that’s perfectly fine. The problem is, if you randomly seed, what if all of those players get dumped into the same pool? Don’t you think there’s a chance that might delegitimize the final results a bit? Or at least make things potentially less interesting?
Apparently so. Considering how casually all the shit went down, makes you wonder just how much similar bullshit has occurred from the same people. Transparency is crucial right now, but if only the TO’s are going to provide this, then it’s up to the community to voice their opinions based on what was seen on stream, what was seen live at the venue (if you were there) and put 2 and 2 together. This affects all of us, so all of us deserve to know exactly what went down.
I get what your saying. Less interesting I am not so sure I would say that because its more like if everyone was thrown in the same pool (Daigo, Marn, Wong etc) the one to emerge I expect him to win the tourney. Now if he doesnt, even bigger question mark and more curious to know who the winner is.
On a seperate note, I am under the believe of seeding at the beginning rather than the end.
Seeding helps us better determine who the best player who entered the tournament is. Is that not a worthy goal?
I have not participated in a tournament, but I became interested in the fighting game scene from watching streamed matches online. I hope to participate in a tournament in the future.
Streams are important not just for the stream monsters, but for the players as well, because they help build the scene.
Bottom line is there needs to be standards for tournaments that are part of the evo season, otherwise that starts to lose meaning and feel like it’s just another way to assure that the top players get top treatment.
Having live video of a player effecting a change in the seeding hurts the end of a tournament a whole fucking lot more than some one off statistical anomaly.
Well yes, abuse is bad, and should be punished severely. Doesn’t mean the legitimate uses of the system should be tossed aside too. It’s like the people who want to ban guns every time some loser shoots someone.
I guess I’m in the minority, but it shouldn’t be about how well you played, should be about who you played. Playing at 100% throughout a tournament and only fighting online Joe and down the block Tony would make me question why I’m in top 8.
More like the Marvel of card games. The games over in 2-3 turns each now.
The way its done in YGO is 3 points for a win, 1 for a draw (just don’t allow draws), and 0 for a loss. At the end of w/e amount of rounds there’s always an even enough people to cut off into top32/16/8 w/e.
One:I didn’t name drop in a negative manner.
Two:my so called bitching was me going to webster and saying “why is losers finals 2/3 if winners was 3/5” and him saying they should both be the same number of sets
Three:I honestly don’t remember you saying shit to me.if you talk to me when I have my headset on and I see your lips move I usually just nod my head cuz I’m assuming the person is saying “good luck” or something similar.
Forth:if my teammates knew that two out of three was agreed upon then they both looked surprised to me.
Fifth:I never wanted WF to be 3/5 cuz it would take to long but since it was I just assumed that losers would be as well.that 3/5 stuff was webster’s idea to begin with.
That’s the gods honest truth.I don’t gotta lie.
Hey if Justin Wong gets a punishment suiting Manslaughter that will be great. However he won’t and that’s why you’ve got people suggesting ANY KIND of purely objective system. Within the bounds of this topic it’s more important to have systems which can’t be manipulated. Statistics based seeding would obviously be better than randomized brackets, however people are simply suggesting randomized brackets because it is a way to solve the problem.
If banning guns literally stopped all shootings forever then it would be a good way to stop all shootings forever. That’s what randomized brackets represent and why people are bringing them up. Further, for something like a top 8 randomization really doesn’t present the issues you have with it for full tournaments.
Yeah, and when the fighting game community has true tournament seeding that is beyond reproach that will be fantastic. However given the topic of this thread it’s a little disingenuous to dismiss what passes for “seeding”.
Yeah I would compare YGO to Marvel. Fighting game community will never have a godawful clusterfuck event as YGO did at 2008 Nats in Ohio.
Before YGO adopted Konami’s tournament structure, UDE’s Mantis system buttfucked a lot of people over who had the same records. But it was very rewarding because the tiebreaker system is built so that you will have the best tiebreakers if you managed to beat and lose to players who perform well in the same tournament.
