Yeah, I guess I am. What’s the difference?
Seeding is rigging the brackets? Lol.
Seeding benefits players too.
Ok, I disagree with you there. I think the primary goal of tournaments should be to reward the most skillful player.
That analogy made me lulz.
One question though? Krillian with or without hair?
Again, a verifiable and random method of organizing the brackets is BEYOND REPROACH, that is why it’s of such interest to the people in this thread. If justin drew the ball with a 3 on it and pr rog drew the ball with a 4 on it, then that’s kind of that. I really don’t disagree with seeding, however when that seeding isn’t based on any kind of objective or reliable data and instead opinion? Well, in that situation I understand the appeal of a completely random bracket.
Concerning Seeding: Absolutely necessary. But it should have some kind of standards.
Like say if it’s a 200 player tournament with 4 pools of 50 players each, you are allowed 2 seeds per pool and those players maintain their seeded(as in reasonably placed away from each other) status throughout top 32, 8, 4, etc. No additional players are given “seeded” status. The number of seeds per pool should be based on the size of the pools. Like 1 for a 25 player or less, 2 for 50 or less, etc, as an example. The TO has the responsibility of choosing who is seeded based on past performance.
Any other bracket placement should be based on zip codes or states to separate local players and random selection.
I think what i’m more annoyed by is wong throwing the losers finals for MvC3 so that the evo points could be distributed. It’s a legitimate strategy but I don’t think we need to pretend like it’s some shady business - if the 3 guys fighting for top 3 placement agree that they’re going to do it this way there’s nothing to stop that. Trying to is just going to make it look more shady.
Come out and say “X promised me X amount of the winner’s pot if i threw X match so he could get X evo qualifier points, which I didn’t need cause I already win everything”
That kind of shit happening sucks but locals need to level up and be real competition for these top guys to avoid having the same 10 or so guys always on top and able to collaborate on things like this.
And again you imply that known players are more skillful than unknown players.
Fixed. Whether Jwong took a dive in LF to give Noel Brown and Floe Evo points is harder to prove. It could be true, hell, they could even be splitting the winnings three way but there’s no way of proving it unless they come out and admit it.
Well that’s cool because I didn’t say it “fixes” anything. It’s a tool you can use to optimize a particular kind of tournament for more consistent and reliable rankings.
You know, like running double-elim instead of single.
Should have just based top 8 brackets on evo qualifier points that had already been acquired. Player with the most would play the one with the least.
You know it’d be great if we could focus on seeding in relation to Top 8s (which is what this thread is about) so the conversation isn’t totally derailed into worthless fucking mewling. I think given the very specific nature of this thread and the event it’s about there is an obvious reason people may think seeding is unfair.
Though even if the system was done based on inarguable data who can say Justin wouldn’t have done the same thing? He’d just be here using a different bullshit excuse.
Uh yeah, generally that’s how the world works.
Hype is excitement, entertainment is more of a pleasure, and the way you refer to it it reeks of a commercial endeavor.
Yes, it is for the way we go about it.
If you take all the points being awarded to Evo from majors over the year, then that’s seeding properly. That’s established results, and it follows a standard.
If you take one of these tournaments however, and shove anyone in any other spot on the bracket without a previously established ranking battle or the like, then it’s rigging the bracket. Justin going to Powerup for example, should hold no relevance in his place in the bracket if he goes to CEO or anything else OUTSIDE OF EVOLUTION. Save for changing placing for location (which is a generous action by TO’s) if you’re running a tournament that isn’t part of a ranking battle or an accumulation to a major, then changing the brackets like that is rigging shit.
Every other damned ‘competitive sport’ on the planet has a season and follows the same logic. If we’re going to mainstream and all that shit then we better start establishing something like Apex again.
Seeds are only so that really good players don’t get placed next to each other in big tournaments. Nothing more nothing less. Yes is makes for a better show in the end, but that secondary to making sure that 3/4s of the big wigs aren’t placed in the pool of death and 1 good player curbeh-stomps the other side of the bracket. If tournaments are to test your skill, then it only makes sense if that skill is equally distributed.
It’s a necessary evil.
Never seeing a good player play because someone decided horribly stilted and poorly thought out brackets was a good idea is exciting? On the reverse, getting peaced out in the first two rounds by guys you drove in with because of poorly designed brackets is exciting for the player?
A commercial endeavor?!?! Oh noez!!
I agree that seeding should be based on concrete results.
A good player is going to be a good player no matter where they are in the bracket.
If they didn’t make it to where more people could have seen him/her that just means they weren’t good enough.
Well at this point it’s where I begin to question the integrity of the event, and if it’s more for running a tournament to simply see who can win, and less of a commercial broadcast with ‘stars’ to latch onto.
I’m not going to preach some hippie shit because I believe there’s room for that type of thing, but it isn’t necessary to seed the brackets to do so.
What? No, that’s dumb. Seeding increases the likelihood that the best player in the tournament will take home the grand prize. Please sit and think about why this is true before responding.
My favorite part of this thread is where all the people involved other than the guy who made the brackets are working as hard as possible to cover their asses and blame it on someone else.
are you aware how weak is the logic behind your post, the fact is that you are giving a special treatment to some over the others, wich eliminates the purpouse of the tournament, the only reason why you see seeding on tournaments this days its because the show, not because it helps the players
a joke, i thought that this was clear since 2009
fixed for you
Fivec,in how many tournaments have you been, or are you only a stream boy eho thinks that helps the community for watching and being hype to see the top players on the finals?